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So please explain the differences. Benefits vs problems? Thanks I understand the early Sabatti's were soldered and about mid-way through the Cabela's production run they switched to brazing. I wonder if the switch coordinated with the grinding of the muzzles? Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | ||
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I've regulated my fair share of soldered and brazed Sabatti rifles. I've never come across one that had ground muzzles and brazing. I personally don't believe in using braze to hold ribs down on double rifles. Yes its strong and you will never have a rib pop loose, but brazing will not allow you to make adjustments after barrel assembly. Alas Sabatti has taken note and gotten enough experience to be able to set the barrel separation and get acceptable(their definition) regulation on the majority of guns. I've only re-regulated a few of the new Sabatti rifles for the US importer. When re-regulating a brazed gun I pull the ribs, file off the brazing material, and relay the ribs with solder. I have yet to be able to reuse the factory bottom rib due to having to damage it upon removal, only the top ribs have been salvageable. It takes immense heat and about 30min to pull the ribs. My shop will get up to 87 degrees plus with the AC on. Lovely work! http://www.facebook.com/profil...p?id=100001646464847 A.M. Little Bespoke Gunmakers LLC 682-554-0044 Michael08TDK@yahoo.com | |||
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Yes , that makes the most sense. SOLDER melts as high as 450 F and BRAZE melts for about 900-1300 F.Big difference .At the higher tempsof braze there is some risk in doing heat damage to some parts . | |||
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Aaron, were these the newer batch of guns that are advertised now? what is the acceptable regulation for them out of the factory? DRSS | |||
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3" at 50meters http://www.facebook.com/profil...p?id=100001646464847 A.M. Little Bespoke Gunmakers LLC 682-554-0044 Michael08TDK@yahoo.com | |||
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The less heat on a barrel or action the happier I am..I'll go with solder everytime..As to strength some solders such as silver solder are tougher than braze, but Im not going to used silver solder on double rifle barrels.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I know all solder is not created equally. Out of curiosity, what particular alloy do you use/recommend? Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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Ray has his terms confused.SOLDER melts below 500 F. Braze 900-1300 F. It is Braze and should be called that - NOT called Hard Solder. I have seen many a problem with definitions and name and not just in the gun business . Yes braze is stronger and used in some guns .For example the Browning High Power pistol was made with a two part barrel ,brazed together !! If you want it bright use silver solder .It stays bright..You can also use it on your wife's stainless steel posts , it's also food safe!! If you don't want shiney use the old standard lead/tin solder .Forget the new green safe for the world stuff !! The 62Sn/37Pb solder is the 'eutectic' solder melts and freezes quickly. Away from that mix and you get a mushy stage before it melts or freezes.Such as a 60/40. I don't know what the typical Gunsmith uses . | |||
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I never braze barrels together; it is too hard to work with them afterwards. Brazing uses brass, or silver, instead of tin, lead, and silver alloy for soldering. Brazing takes place at up to 1800 F for silver. There is no advantage to it. I use Brownells force 44, which is tin and silver and melts at below 500F. And is very strong. Now, if you are attaching a shoe lump, them, yes, you want to use brazing there, for strength. | |||
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Best gap for strength and capillary flow, for both solder and braze is .003"  | |||
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I know of a gunsmith who used to build doubles and aimed for .001" clearance when he brazed his shoelumps. Aaron do you mind if I ask what clearance you shoot for when you are machining for soldering your monoblock barrels? | |||
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Dave, I use 440 as a rule, if I want silver solder then I get Jack Belk to do that. I steer clear of Braze because Ive not actually done it myself. Im limited to soldering on sights for instance. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Thanks. I'm going to PM you. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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