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I was thumbing through Cartridges of the World last night, and noticed this job for the first time. Barnes said examples existed with bullets from .474 up to .483; judging from his tables, the latter was more common. So what's the story? Did some makers decide the "475" meant bore while others decided it meant groove (and so could use .470 NE bullets)? At .483, it's 480 gn bullet would have had a lower than normal SD. Did it have a reputation for poorer penetration, or at that diameter did it do enough damage regardless? | ||
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As a past user of the .475 3.25 I can assure you it will do the job and is a darn fine cartridge. Having used both it and the #2 version at 3.5", I don't think you'll notice the difference in SD between them and the .470 at 500 fr or the .484 at 500 gr. Enjoy it for what it is and don't fret the little differences. | |||
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Probably a typo as Taylor did calling the .474 470NE bullet as .483". All the old .458 to .476 NE rounds are the "same." I am anxiously awaiting someone to state/imply/theorize/claim that they can tell any difference!  Richard Harland has claimed that a 470 NE kills significantly or noticably or something better than a 458 WM. This I do not believe. He may have been shooting substandard 458 WM ammo back in his cropping days as a probable explanation of his comment. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Along those lines, the 475#2 Jeffery is an excellant round. It's caliber is .488. Awesome round! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I have 25 rounds of 1930's era Kynoch .475 3 1/4" ammo. Bullets measure .476. I believe the .483 number comes from confusion with the 475 No 2. 465H&H | |||
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Woodleigh lists them as: 470 NE 0.474" 476 WR 0.476" 475 #2 0.483" 475 #2 Jeffery 0.488" I guess you're suppose to use 476 WR bullets in the 475 NE. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Thanks for the information. I noticed later that Boddington's book on safari rifles has a section on it, and says it used .476 bullets. Barnes did mention the .475 No.2 separately and noted it had a larger bullet. | |||
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If you have a spare, I would be interested in purchasing one. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Both of my .475 3.25's slugged .483. I assumed from Barnes that they would be .475 or so. Not so, so I din't expect the second to be .475 | |||
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That's impossible!! I guess those guys just made up the rounds to suit themsleves. So do you reload for your rifles? I guess so, huh, using .483" bullets. I suppose one can never be too careful about the real bore size with the old rifles. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I guess that makes more sense than "465H&H"'s measurement of 0.476" bullets. Woodleigh doesn't list anything specifically for the 475 NE. It would make sense then that the 475 would have the same diameter bullet (0.483") as the 475 #2 (0.483"), even though the 475 #2 Jeffery is listed as 0.488". Go figure! Taylor made the comment about guys mistakenly shooting the 475 #2 and the 475 #2 Jeffery interchangeably. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Amazing. Some factory ammo was .476 and some factory rifles were .483. It's no wonder organizations such as SAAMI and CIP were formed. | |||
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I have had a .475 3 1/4" Cogswell & Harrison that shot very well. It was a .483 caliber. Whatever I shot, died. I have a box of .475 No. 2 that is .488 caliber loaded with Woodleigh softs that I'd sell, btw. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I'll trade you an elephant wallet for it (?). ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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THAT is .475 #2 JEFFERY ! Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Judge, I think those rounds that you have are .483. Or at least the ones you sent to me once were. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Judge, I agree with Rusty. I own Al's old C&H and he gave me some rounds you made up for him. They were all .483". -Steve --------  www.zonedar.com If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning DRSS C&H 475 NE -------- | |||
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Fleming in British Sporting Rifle Cartridges list two diameters for the 475 3 1/4", .474 and .483. You could have either and it would depend on the manufacturer. 465H&H | |||
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No wonder it is so confusing! Is that book "Prices Paid for British Sporting Rilfe Cartridges"? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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No it was a companion piece to Hoyem's "The History and Developement of Small Arms Ammunition". Hoyem gives a bullet diameter of .482 for the 475 3 1/4". 465H&H | |||
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