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Holland&Holland 450/400 2 3/8 proof Info needed!

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14 April 2010, 01:43
LHowell
Holland&Holland 450/400 2 3/8 proof Info needed!
A local gunshop has acquired a H&H 450/400 2 3/8, Double Rifle. 1898 manufacture. Weight Orig. 7lbs/12oz now 6lbs,12oz+/-

Does anyone know what a Nitro proof mark for this type, and age rifle would look like?

The barrel is marked with a Crown over V, a Crown over GP [Black Powder], a 400EX, and one other mark, closest to the breech end of the barrel that appears to be a very deep, intricate stamp, but they can find nothing like this in "Marks" reference material.



Any help?

I appreciate your thoughts.

Les
14 April 2010, 03:17
500N
quote:
Originally posted by LHowell:
closest to the breech end of the barrel that appears to be a very deep, intricate stamp, but they can find nothing like this in "Marks" reference material.

Any help?

I appreciate your thoughts.

Les


Provisional proof for barrels (London) mark.

It's taller rather than wider ? Is that right ?


It all kind of merges into one blob of a stamp ?


But can you see any part of it ?

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14 April 2010, 06:25
enfieldspares
This is a blackpowder cartridge for red deer and maybe wild boar or such things in India. I do not believe that a nitro equivalent loading was ever made for it.

The Proof would be before the 1904 Rules.
14 April 2010, 07:03
LHowell
500N

Yes, this last mark is taller than wide, it does appear to be a blob as the design, while intricate is unclear. I'll try to scan it and post it here.

enfieldspares

That is my fear, that a Nitro load has not been developed, much less proofed. It is a beautiful 110+ year old rifle, in amazing condition!

Thanks for your help!

Les
14 April 2010, 07:07
500N
quote:
Originally posted by LHowell:
500N

Yes, this last mark is taller than wide, it does appear to be a blob as the design, while intricate is unclear. I'll try to scan it and post it here.

Les



Sounds like the Provisional proof for barrels as I said in the post above.

Agree with Enfield, sounds like BP proofed
and the cartridge and the era would make you lean that way.
14 April 2010, 14:49
enfieldspares
If you have not already I would advise some contact with Holland's as they are very good on "back up" even on such a century plus old rifle such as this.

They may even be able to offer a solution to your ammunition problem.