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Does anybody know if Rigby's in Paso Robles, California, is still in existence? Latest rumour on this side of the pond was that they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptsy protection and was on the way out. Their website is still onnline, though. | ||
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Found this from 2005:
577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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That is a shame but it really doesn't surprise after looking at a couple of Merkles...Umm I mean California Rigbys and the prices they were trying to get for them. | |||
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Oh, WOW! Can you say "Lost their Deposit"? And to think they wasted all that money running a great rifle maker's name into the ground. A tragedy! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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They were at the Reno SCI show this year. Lousey work for lots of money. They should be ashamed of their stock work. | |||
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This is from 2005, anyone have an update? | |||
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Not suprizing to me! The best thing about the Cal rifles, IMO, is the fact that they used Merkel made A&D boxlock, and sidelock actions! Man I feel for the guys who lost their deposits. Even though they were paying far more than the rifles were worth, even if the deposits were the full cost of the rifles! Since this is 2005 info, I'm hopeing the courts gave back the deposits before the holdings were exausted!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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the info for 2005 was all that I could find. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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Looks like they are still in business: http://www.johnrigbyandco.com/pages/Main-Guns.html The Bankruptcy filing seems a little strange. Granted, they filed for reorganization and not liquidation, but their assets were almost twice their debts. They could have had a bank loan they were trying to renegotiate, some bad leases they were trying to shed, or some large contract they were trying to break. But if I were one of their debtors, I would have tried my darndest to get the company liquidated if they did not reaffirm my loan to survive the bankruptcy. It is possible that those deposits didn't get wiped out. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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i know for a fact that john rigby and co.(gunmakers)ltd LONDON was bought some months ago. they intend to have the first best guns done by late fall to midwinter, AND it will be on a rising bite  action made by them.it looks like the rigby name will mean something good again. best regards peter | |||
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Now that is the best news I have heard in a long while! | |||
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It's been going on for a while so somehing will show up soon I think. A "Modern" rising third bite - that would be good. | |||
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i forgot to mention that the two companys have no connections with eachother, wich in my humble oppinion should give the new guys a fighting chance conserning quality. best regards peter | |||
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Cal Rigby bought the Rigby "NAME", and unless they have sold that, or have gone under, the guy in England can't use the RIGBY name! It's a copyrighted private domain! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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mac that is not the case, but lets not discuss law's since they differ alot between the US and the EC. im just looking forward to seeing the first rifles rolling out their door. best regards peter | |||
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[/QUOTE] Cal Rigby bought the Rigby "NAME", and unless they have sold that, or have gone under, the guy in England can't use the RIGBY name! It's a copyrighted private domain![/QUOTE] Maybe in the US, but anybody in any other country can register the same name and trade under it. Remember, the US doesn't control everything in the world. Now as to whether you would have much credibility, that's a different story. Pity that the Royal Warrant isn't valid any more. | |||
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Actually copyrighted names require the holder to renew the copyright on a periodic basis else they can lose the rights to the name. I understand that there are speculators who follow the copyrights of international corporations hoping to identify a lapse in some area of the world so that they can capture the “name†and resell its use to the international corporation. An example in the not too distant past is when Exon corporation changed its name to “Exxonâ€. According to business news reports, Exon corporation had failed to renew all of its worldwide copyrights to the “Exon†name resulting in the name being copyrighted by another (individual or group) in the lapsed country(countries). Exon corporation rather than paying the requested “very large sum of money†for right to use the “Exon†name in that lapsed country(countries) changed their business name worldwide by copyrighting the Exxon name; apparently is was much cheaper to change everything worldwide to Exxon rather than paying the piper to retain the name Exon in the lapsed copyright area. So if John Rigby & Co. (Gunmakers) Inc., a California, USA Corporation, failed to renew the copyrighted name of John Rigby & Co. (Gunmakers) Ltd. in the British Isles – then any individual or legal entity else could lawfully copyright the John Rigby & Co. (Gunmakers) Ltd. name and thereafter lawfully conduct business utilizing that name. I don’t know but do assume this to be the case - hopefully so as returning the name and related firearms to their earlier grandure would be nice. Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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john rigby inc. california closed down shop in england in 02, thereby having no buisnes in the intire EC since then. and claming intelectual rights would mean that they should make rigbys and we all know that they dont. case closed the way i see it, is that now the guys in london have to prove to the world, that they can make best guns on a constant basis. peter | |||
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But we're working on it! ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Cal Rigby bought the Rigby "NAME", and unless they have sold that, or have gone under, the guy in England can't use the RIGBY name! It's a copyrighted private domain![/QUOTE] . Remember, the US doesn't control everything in the world. .[/QUOTE] I don't see a need for sarcasm!  Copyright enfrengment is copyright enfrengment no matter where you live! Why on Earth would anyone spend thousands of dollars for the exclusive use of a trade name, if anyone who wanted could still use it in the trade? Like you I wish the Rigby name had never been sold to the California company, but it was, so I guess that was a fraud to begin with, HUH?  ...............BYE  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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. Remember, the US doesn't control everything in the world. .[/QUOTE] I don't see a need for sarcasm! Copyright enfrengment is copyright enfrengment no matter where you live! Why on Earth would anyone spend thousands of dollars for the exclusive use of a trade name, if anyone who wanted could still use it in the trade? Like you I wish the Rigby name had never been sold to the California company, but it was, so I guess that was a fraud to begin with, HUH? ...............BYE [/QUOTE]Your a bit sensitive aren't you ? Plenty of company's around the world have the same company namebut in different countries. As to fraud, well, some people do like paying over the odds for things and no, IMHO, the Rigby name is not worth much without the Royal Warrants which couldn't be purchased with the name. | |||
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I performed some internet searches regarding copyright expirations and identified that I was incorrect in my earlier post, copyrights do not expire. However, a business name cannot be copyrighted as it is not an intellectual property, is can only be trademarked as the name relates to a business product and/or service. And trademarks can expire in either a 3yr or a 5yr timeframe and this expiration can be triggered by failure to conduct business under that name during the noted timeframe. The Exon corporation illustration noted in my earlier post lost the right to the Exon trademark and the corporation thereafter trademarked the Exxon name rather than pay for the right to use the Exon name in the country/those countries where they’d failed to fulfill their lawful trademark obligations; i.e., conduct business under that name or request a renewal of the trademarked name before their prior trademark expired. The John Rigby & Company, Ltd. (UK) was sold in 1997, was moved to the USA that same year, and was incorporated by the American investment group as a California corporation under the name John Rigby & Company, Inc. The Queen pulled the John Rigby & Company, Ltd.’s Royal Warrant when the business was moved to the USA. All business conducted by the USA company has been under the name John Rigby & Company, Inc. (USA) and it would appear that they’ve failed to keep the original name, John Rigby & Company, Ltd. (UK), alive by conducting any business since 1997 under the original name. Therefore it would appear that the new UK group could lawfully trademark the John Rigby & Company, Ltd. (UK) name and lawfully conduct business under that name regardless of whether John Rigby & Company, Inc. (USA) continues to function as a viable business enterprise or not. Anyway, I'm not an attorney so maybe I'm wrong, hopefully I'm not! Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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In short, if the US Rigby did not maintain registration of the name Rigby in the UK, then it is open for anyone to register it. | |||
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not anymore  capoward you are completely right. as i see it all rigby cal. got, is the books, and a crooked sence of buisnes. lets just give rigby LONDON some time to prove that they are up for the task, i will ask them if they might want to come to the forum and share some photo´s of the guns they are building. best regards peter | |||
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Can John Rigby of Calcutta be far behind? ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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that depends will, are you gonna move and start making guns ? peter | |||
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Or John Rigby of Dubai? ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Thank you sir that was very informative, and done with such class as well!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I bet that was going to be one HELL of a rifle!  _____________________________________________________ No safe queens! | |||
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the name of the john rigby company was bought by a gentleman in the carolinas earlier this year. he has since re-sold it. if i can find his contact information i will see what i can find out. but the name has definitely moved on ! TOMO577 DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Ambitious website. Wish thenm luck. Owned a Best .350 No. 2 from 1923 for a long time, did not suffer because no rising bite. Doubt that fillip adds anything except pricing. | |||
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