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Can this  it's an adaptor for use on a Weaver mount...be used to mount this  on a Chapuis 9.3x74R? DB Bill aka Bill George | ||
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Whether it can or not...No No No!!! Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Kinda like........  ______________________ RMEF Life Member SCI DRSS Chapuis 9,3/9,3 + 20/20 Simson 12/12/9,3 Zoli 7x57R/12 Kreighoff .470/.470 We band of 9,3ers! The Few. The Pissed. The Taxpayers. | |||
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Bill I have been doing some experimenting with red dot sights on hunting rifles. So far I like the Docter Optic the best, which ois a lot like the sight you have. I know they make a base that fits into a rear claw mount. I would recommend you have a scope fitted in claw mounts for your Chapuis then see if you can fit your sight to the rear claw base. If you do not want a scope on your 9,3, then a gunsmith that knows what he is doing should be able to fit a weaver base to the rear spot on the Chapuis rib. A red dot sight that is compact like the Docter Optic is an excellent choice on ANY rifle for a person especially one that has problems with iron sights. Traditionalists take note... I have an ole Westley Richards catalog that shows scopes, the old prisim style, fitted to doubles. IF doubles had stayed in the mainstream of hunting rifles, they would have been fitted for scopes, just as bolt rifles have been. A scope on a double gives you the same benefits as a scope on a bolt rifle does. Same for red dot sights. I just do not understand the resistance to put modern sights on double rifles.... When it is standard operating procedure for bolt rifles???   I have a scoped 9,3x74R and a scoped 450/400 3 1/4" double rifle... The scopes on both rifles have proven their worth several times over. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I have got a Doctor Optic sight and want to put it on my rifle that has Talley bases. Does anyone know the location of a factory mount or someone willing to build one? I think this sight will make a nice compliment to the rifle when I don't want to use the scope. Thanks, Josh | |||
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Go to the Ernst Apel web sight. They make mounting bases for the Docter Optic sight. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Oh why the hell not? Of course he can. I'm only 47 and any irons other than those found on an M1/M14 or an AR15/M16 are hard to use. Especially the miniscule front beads you find on many rifles. | |||
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Showboat .... I've got shoes that older than 47.  DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Like I said Papa Bill, I'm "only" 47. BTW I like so far what I hear about the Zeiss Z Dot. | |||
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I don't remember 47! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I can just barely remember 67! I'm still useing irons though!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Oh Mac, you "Steely Eyed Texan", you! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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You might also consider the new Micro series of sights from Aimpoint. http://www.aimpoint.com/o.o.i.sid=47&prev_id=47&product_id=364 AIMPOINT® MICRO H-1 Micro H-1 - Designed with the hunter in mind, these sights are the lightest red dot sights tough enough to bear the Aimpoint name. Small enough to be used anywhere that you cold put iron sights, these sights can be used on any type of firearm or archery equipment. A lightweight rifle with an H1 Micro mounted on it remains a lightweight rifle! A hunting revolver with an H1 Micro installed remains as easy to carry as with iron sights and is much quicker to aim. On a bow, the parallax-free H1 Micro eliminates the need for a peep, allowing you to shoot accurately in lower light. Unique features for Micro H-1 • Its weight – 84 g without mount and 105 g with mount Ideal for rifles, shotguns, handguns or archery equipment. • Integral Weaver-style base allows easy attachment. ACET technology allows 50,000 hours of operation on one battery. • Available in 4 MOA (minutes of angle). • Submersible to 15 feet (5 meters). • 1X (non-magnifying) parallax free optic. • Patent pending mount is keyed to the sight body to absorb recoil. • Precision adjustment for windage and elevation. Top of protective caps fits into holes on adjustment screws – no other tool required. • 13 settings for use in daylight and lowlight conditions. • Color Black Standard features for all Aimpoint® sights Unlimited field of view Parallax-free and unlimited eye relief Unaffected by extreme weather conditions Rugged, durable construction No hazardous materials No laser emission that could be harmful to your eyes Mechanical switch for speed and reliability Increased aiming confidence Aimpoint also offers 2 other Micro sights. The Micro R-1 and the Micro T-1. Semper Paratus, Steve | |||
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This might be worth looking at. http://www.kilic-feintechnik.de/ Bill Member DSC,DRSS,NRA,TSRA A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -Mark Twain There ought to be one day - just one – when there is open season on Congressmen. ~Will Rogers~ | |||
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It looks good but I don't read German and can't find an e-mail address on the site. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Any guy that would do that would wear feathers to a preacher's funeral. ---------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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400, With all due repect, I've know a bunch of "preachers" where that type of attire would be appropriate! DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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 Happiness is being able to hit your target!  I wish I looked like Stewart Granger and could shoot like "pick a name" but alas like Popeye said, "I am what I am" and I've got to live with it. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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I knew that Bill, I was just razzing you. Not to offend anyone - this subject seems to come up often with regard to older DR shooters who say they can't shoot well with express sights. I'm honestly curious as this subject really baffles me - and since it's come up again, I thought I'd ask here. I'm over 50 and have had serious vision problems all of my life. Presbyopia (old man's eye disease/the need for bifocals) came to me early in life and is now severe, and I've always been severely near-sighted. I just got my new eyeglass prescription this week (don't have the new specs yet). Will be the same coke-bottle progressive for the right eye, just thicker. There was no need to change the script for the left as I am functionally blind in that eye. I doubt I'll be able to read with the new glasses on, as I haven't been able to with the old in years - I can only read with them off. I use a wide vee express sight with a 1/16" front bead with no problems at all. I have to wonder if maybe it's not the eyes, but the sights for some guys. I can certainly understand having problems with certain express sights - the gigantic beads I see many guys wanting on their DRs today - well, I couldn't have used them 30 years ago. You can't see through a wall. Do you guys really have trouble seeing a wide vee with a bead of .080" or so? Not being an optometrist, I'm no certainly no expert on eye issues. With my own vision issues in my mind, I just find this hard to understand. ---------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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For what it's worth, I think the issue is more with the bead shape and color than the size. I do have an issue with a brass/gold bead that is tapered toward the shooter. To me, it makes it seem smaller and the color does not seem to provide enough contrast for a quick shot, especially in lower light. I really like the ivory beads, round (not tapered) or flat. As for the "dot" sights, my personal opinion is that it is not the way to go. The MOA is still too large for a game rifle. If they got down to 2.5 then maybe. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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A viral nerve infection cost me most of the vision in my left eye and the right needs a very strong correction so I'm basically a one-eyed shooter with the added problem that the vision I have remaining in my left eye still wants to "see" so I will, on occassion become left-eye dominant .... took me from a AAA skeet shooter to just fighting to stay in B class. I'll take all the help I can get .... I sometimes wish the beastie would glow in the dark and emit a beeping noise every once in awhile.  DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Bill Very sorry to hear that. Have you ever tried the fiber optic front sights? I believe they are pretty much standard issue on Chapuis. I haven't used them on a double but they do make a difference on other rifles and shotguns I have. If that does not cut it, the dot set up is certainly an option - just look for the smallest MOA that works for you. And there's always the illuminated reticle on a low power scope. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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DB, I agree with you, you need an alternative sight..the rest of these guys using that stuff on a good double are perverts!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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How about a tiny diamond in the front sight? Packy | |||
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I always thought one of those Doctor sights on the front receiver ring of a CZ 550 would be a nice set-up for a thumper, for those of us with bad peepers. | |||
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I agree with 400 Nitro on front bead size. The front bead on my 2 British guns are much smaller than the standard factory bead on my 9,3 Chapuis. I have shot a lot of game with iron sights with all 3 rifles but I "feel" better especially at ranges of 75 yards and farther with the smaller British front beads. OH, and let me say I have hunted pigs side by side with that "blind in one eye, cannot see out of the other", 400 Nitro.  He shoots fast, and I have never seen him miss a pig. and I have seen him shoot several. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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For me, I am far sighted. I can either put on my cheaters and see the sights or not put them on and see the target. I have always enjoyed using iron sights. Those days I am afraid are gone. No one likes change, especially us double rifle shooters. It may not be classic, but Holo optics on doubles most certainly could benefit guys like me. While visiting JJ Parodeau at Champlin's several years ago, I handled an old H&H that JJ had put a Holo sight on. I was very impressed with the ease of putting the dot "On Target". Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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