Does anyone know where I can get 470NE Redding dies?

Thanks

Redding originally said they would be avail in Sep. Now (last week) they are telling me they will be available "by the end of the year."

I have a list of orders for them. PM me if you want a set.

I still can not get Redding to make me any dies in several calibers even though they say they do custom work. I want the following dies made;
375 Flanged magnum
450-400, 3"
10.75x68
So far they have not been able to offer me any hope for them in the future. Are you a Redding dealer? I am and they still won't cooperate without a big price adjustment.
I now have RCBS dies for those calibers until I can get Reddings.

more curious then anything, are the Reddings better then the RCBS?

It is kind of the Ford vs Chevy thing.

I prefer Chevy, Redding dies, blondes, Labradors, etc., but not necessarily in that order.

Nothing is BETTER than RCBS ...... I was using Hornady .458 Lott dies this afternoon, and they are JUNK. Henceforth, if I can't get RCBS, then I'll buy factory ammo ...... period !!!

You really need to look at the RCBS vs Reddings. Really more like Ford vs Mercedes.

lb404,

I agree with you 100%. I have replaced all of my RCBS dies with Redding dies.

personally, I prefer to deal with smaller companies where the owner is actually a rabid hunter. Like CH4D, Dave hunts Africa most years, and even got Butch Searcy to build him a wildcat DR. He is a 375 caliber nut, and took the 9.3x74R which was originally designed here as the 38-90 and shrunk by the germans to make the 9.3mm (.366" bore) and expanded it back to the .375 caliber. He has the dies and marking as 9.5x74R becaue it is easy for a machinist to turn that "3" in 9.3 into a "5" and have headstamped ammunition to match the rifle markings. Works very well. If you are considering a medium bore for DG it would be great. I am getting ready to chamber a barrel in 38-90 for one of my Shiloh Sharps for LR work.

Rich

Leonard:

Nah, more like Rolls vs. Yugo. RCBS is the best there is...by far.

Sharpshooter:

You couldn't run fast enough.....I've had the occasion to try CH4D dies in flanged nitro rounds twice. Neither set would work - at all. Dave's idea of what dimensional standards are for the flanged nitros is frequently WAY off. The money saved isn't worth the aggravation.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

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Originally posted by Frank Beller:
... I was using Hornady .458 Lott dies this afternoon, and they are JUNK.

I have had no problems using my Hornady .458 Lott die set. Ammo works just fine. If RCBS had offered 458 Lott at the same price as the rest of their common die sets I would have bought them, but they want a premium price.

Hog Killer

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Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:
Leonard:

Nah, more like Rolls vs. Yugo. RCBS is the best there is...by far.

Sharpshooter:

You couldn't run fast enough.....I've had the occasion to try CH4D dies in flanged nitro rounds twice. Neither set would work - at all. Dave's idea of what dimensional standards are for the flanged nitros is frequently WAY off. The money saved isn't worth the aggravation.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

I guess we can agree on the CH4D and not on the RCBS/REDDING. I think both have their strengths. Both have lifetime warranties. Both have made mistakes on dies before. The main reason I buy some RCBS dies is that they are available. Redding seems to be a little short sighted on that regard. They must have more business than they need with all of the die models they make. I still prefer them 10 to 1 over RCBS.

For precision, I have always relied on Redding and Forester.

RCBS has the market on Nitros, and only because they made them.

Redding has done a hell of a job on other calibers compared to other makers.

RCBS makes a decent die, but there is no fit nor finish.

And in my humble experience, it screws up your reloads.

Sorry, but Redding is "it" in dies. If I have an issue with their die, they will fix it.

And there is no better polished die in this world.

There is only one better shop for dies, and no one has mentioned them. And it costs twice this rate.

I've had very good success with my CH4D dies for my 475NE 3 1/4"... not a very common cartridge, they were in stock, I got them in 3 days, for about $140... some guys have had bad luck with them, but my experience has been great..

I have 4 sets of CH4D dies in 505 Gibbs, 430-400, 3" 416 Rigby and 6x284. None of them are fit and finished as well as RCBS and none of my RCBS are anywhere as well finished as the Reddings.

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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

DAVE DAVISON OF CH/4D DIE COMPANY MAKES A FINE PRODUCT. BUT BEST OF ALL, YOU GET DIRECT SUPPORT (ANSWERS / ACTION ) FROM HIM. HE STOCKS MOST ALL CALIBERS. AND HE IS A NIGHT OWL YOU CAN CALL HIM AT MIDNIGHT FOR HELP !

ALL HIS DIES ARE MADE TO SAMMI STANDARDS - FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW - UNTIL ABOUT 1920 THERE WAS --NO-- STANDARDIZATION OF CALIBERS IN THE BRITISH GUN TRADE ! THAT ONLY HAPPENED WHEN THE GOV'T AMALGAMATED ALL THE AMMO MAKERS INTO ONE - WHICH BECAME ELEY KYNOCH,

THE SAMMI SPECS USED TO MAKE DIES ARE INDUSTRY STANDARDS TODAY. BUT, SEND DAVE A FIRED CASE AND HE WILL FIT THE DIES EXACTLY. HIS PRICES ARE NOT THE CHEAPEST BUT HIS SERVICE IS THE BEST

YOU CAN CONTACT HIM AT : DAVE@CH4D.COM

CHECK IT OUT, I THINK YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU DID

With the sole exception of the .470 NE, there are no SAAMI standards for the British Flanged Nitro Expresses, and never have been. Current standards for these cartridges are CIP.

There were no standards for ammunition in the British trade after the amalgamation of Kynoch and Eley under Nobel Industries in 1919 that did not exist prior to the merger. The standards were the original factory drawings and pressure standardization tests. The standards have always been there, the problem was getting the gunmakers to follow them.

When a good friend and I were setting up to load for his .470, Dave sent .470 dies. Yeah, they were cheap. Correct .474" bullets dropped right through the neck of FL resized cases, so we called Dave. He asked what diameter bullets we were using and we told him.

Dave says "That's what's wrong, the standard bullet diameter for the .470 is .483."

"No it isn't, it's .474."

"No, it's .483."

"No it isn't."

"Yes, it is."

"No, it isn't..."

To give him his due, he called back about an hour later and said that he had checked with his "guru" and that he was wrong. He said he had always loaded .483 in the .470, but that .474 was correct, and offered to replace the dies. My friend returned the dies and bought RCBS instead, which were perfect, of course. Not the kind of expertise I need. I have a low threshold for aggravation with this stuff and want dies that are right the first time, and that makes RCBS the only game in town.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

except Redding

I dunno about you guys, sounds like Dave IS only human...but (!) I have several CH4D die sets because they are the only ones that made them.
I shoot a little black powder, and am trying to resurrect the 38-90 for Silhouette/Long Range/ and the Quigley Match; an attempt at a "one rifle for the world" thing. Dave had the dies. I needed a set for my Winchester Model 1876 in 45-60. Dave had the dies. I needed a set for my 510 Kayser Express (510 Wells minus the Wby belt). Dave had the dies. I needed a set of dies for my Win M1886 in 50-110. Dave had the dies. That is the deal, Dave probably has the dies.

Rich

Dave is a great guy. I have had more than a few discusions with him on the 50 BMG.

Dave is not a Nitro guy, and although he did his best to please, there are more than a few unstaisfied customers.

I have used Dave for the mil calibers, and they are spot on.

For Notro rounds, he gets a call for a die with no specs and goes to the machine shop.

Now I don't think there has ever been a complaint about Dave's machining ability. It is second to none.

And his dies are perfect - perfect.

Dave can do wonders with a spent cartridge, and yes, he will try to fill an order on a phone in. And he will deal with the information he is given.

Rather than beat Dave to a pulp, why don't we enlist him in the double venture?

If Dave can do what he has done for mil cals, his dies will be perfect. Perfect.

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And his dies are perfect - perfect.

I take exception to that statement. I have three sets that are as rough as cobs. These are older dies and I don't know if they were made by Dave, however that doesn't change the fact that they should have been finished better inside. I think the 505 Gibb full length die set is wrong. I had to replace it with a RCBS set to load for my custom rifle. Don't say they are all perfect.

They are perfect for what I have bought.

Dave does fantastic work, with caibers he is familiar with. And he did me right.

But you have to talk to Dave and send him emptys.

And if you pissed him off, well, you will get what your ordered.

Dave is an incredible machinist. When ordering with Dave, you get what you deserve.

My 50 dies are diamond polished. They are incredible.

Dave is one of us - a good old boy. If you can't absorb that, you will not do well in our arena.

Lose the chip off your shoulder, and you will rule the world. Continue to be an a--hole, and you can expect to receive your usual.

If you want to trash me, send me a PM. Please.

A real professional makes the best product he can. His reputation depends on it. If they choose to make poor dies because they don't like a customer then they do not deserve to stay in business. I am not trashing you. You aren't important enough to me to trash. You went way out on a limb and said CD dies are perfect. I responded with my real world experiences with CH4D dies and you took it personal. Get over it. I also said that I bought the dies 15 or so years ago and didn't know if Dave made them or someone else. The point is you are showing your ass when I was giving an opinion on the products I have in hand. We seem to agree on the other and original thrust of the thread. You kicked it up a knotch an made it personal. Your problem not mine. I never had a chip on my shoulder and do very well in this as well as most arenas.

Redding offers better quality than RCBS in my experience.

CHECK OUT DAVES WEBSITE

WWW.CH4D.COM

YOU MUST PUT IN THE WWW , OR ELSE YOU GET AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER !

to WWW.CH4D.COM from JTOMLINSON who I have been corresponding with regarding the 600 NE Double Rifle.

He's having one built by www.ttproctor.com in England, which is where he resides.

JTOMLINSON had CH4D make his dies for the 600.

I don't recall if we've had his company here on AR but I have seen a number of his posts on ww.nitroexpress.com

I will say that lb404 and I have had disagreements re one or two things. I will also say that he has been informed on things, and that his opinions are well presented. That said, good men of conscience sometimes just have to agree to disagree on issues. All of my die sets from Dave have produced FL sized cases that match the rifle chambers and "mike" to SAAMI specs. The interior and exterior finish has been superb. Price has been very resonable and delivery (from stock) was 3-day US Priority Mail. For me, and the people who have gotten good value for $$$ received from CH4D...we intend to continue patronizing them. Those of you who have been unhappy with your purchases...I would suggest contacting him personally with your concerns. I would expect they will make them right.

Rich

Postscript to lb404:

I'll give you $10 plus USPS for those dies. I got a project upcoming that I could make use of them in.

Rich
labor builds wealth

Thanks for the offer, but its duck season comming up and I need those dies for anchor weights.