There are a few here that rely on a chrony to get their actual velocity. I could use some help. Heres what I got. All are 4-5 shot strings.
All from my Merkel 500NE
All using Barnes banded solids
91gr RL-15, 1850-1900FPS
95gr RL-15, 1950-2019FPS
97gr RL-15, 2011-2040FPS

I know the CEB are well liked here, I don't have any yet. Barnes and Woodleigh are what I have on hand.
What are your velocities and what are you using for powder and bullet?

Take a look through the "Double Rifle Bullet of the Future" thread. Sam and Michael used a 500NE for a lot of that work and typically list the velocity as taken from the chrono.
Is do the search for you but am only on a smart phone and its a bit cumbersome.
Stay well

Here's the link to Michael and Sam's summary...
http://www.b-mriflesandcartrid...20Data%203112012.pdf

I have done a lot of reloading for the .500NE. I have used the loads in a Merkel, a Krieghoff, a Searcy, a Boswell and a Heym. Virtually all of my loading has been done with RL15 and Woodleigh Solids. Depending on the lot of RL15 and the rifle, I typically get between 2020 fps and 2100 fps with loads ranging from 96 grains to 99.5 grains. It makes a real difference what lot the powder is and which rifle you use it in. All loads also use F215M primers and I generally use 1/2 of Kynoch wad.

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I have done a lot of reloading for the .500NE. I have used the loads in a Merkel, a Krieghoff, a Searcy, a Boswell and a Heym. Virtually all of my loading has been done with RL15 and Woodleigh Solids. Depending on the lot of RL15 and the rifle, I typically get between 2020 fps and 2100 fps with loads ranging from 96 grains to 99.5 grains. It makes a real difference what lot the powder is and which rifle you use it in. All loads also use F215M primers and I generally use 1/2 of Kynoch wad.

I would like to mirror what Mike just said. I have used this exact formula and have found that around 95-96 grains will generally get me to around 2035-2060 fps. That is a potent load. I have taken 4 elephants and 8 or 9 buff with that load and it really gets their attention. There are two unmentioned benefits to these RL 15 loads, 1)Less felt recoil 2)RL 15 loads with the foam wad(or half wad in the case of the 500NE) seem to give very consistent velocities

Geronimo

My load for the 500NE has been Fed 215M primers, A-Square Brass, 105 Grains of IMR 4007SSC. This is just under the Max listed in the Barnes reloading manual #4.

I've used this load with the 570gr, TSX, Barnes Banded Solid, CEB#13 Solid and 535gr CEB Non-Con.

All have produced excellent accuracy in my Merkel. For some reason the CEB's are giving me right at 100fps more. The Barnes bullets produce about 2000fps with the CEB's at 2125. This from a 24" barrel.

The 500NE is a great round, eh? It's my favorite by far! More power than the 450-470 class, but roughly the same recoil and same weight of rifle. Anything larger (577,600) and the rifle weight really jumps up there.

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I've used this load with the 570gr, TSX, Barnes Banded Solid, CEB#13 Solid and 535gr CEB Non-Con.

All have produced excellent accuracy in my Merkel. For some reason the CEB's are giving me right at 100fps more. The Barnes bullets produce about 2000fps with the CEB's at 2125. This from a 24" barrel.
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Todd I think the rise in velocity with the CEBs is because the design of that bullet produces far less friction on the bore of the rifle with the pressure rings being fewer and far thinner than the Barnes. This is also the case with the North Fork FPS, and CPS, and the GS custom mono-metal solids as well.

When I bought my first North Fork bullets Mike told me that I would probably have to reduce my load some because these bullets will be faster with the same load, because of far less friction on the bore. Maybe enough difference in speed to effect regulation.

He was right, because I got about 150 FPS increase over my Woodlieghs and my composite groups opened up some. I had to back off some on the load! I haven’t used the new CEBs or the GS customs, but have used the North forks and I got the same results you did over harder bullets.
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I am shooting 97 gr of R-15 in Jameson brass over Fed 215's under CEB BBW#13 solids.

In my Merkel...they run ~2100 fps. I qit using foam fillers with R-15 and the longer monolithic bullets.

I have an older Alfred Schilling 500 NE w/ 24" barrels, it regulates perfectly at 2168 fps with the 570 TSX and banded solids over H-4350.

JM

Is anybody using IMR4350 in their .500NE loads? No need for a filler I believe.

IMR 4350 is a good powder for the 500NE. I've used a lot of it in my 500's.

If loads are the same and bullet weight does not change, only bullet make, the bullet that goes slowest, develops the lowest pressure.

I disagree with that statement!

Given the number of pressure tests you have done with Michael, I would be really keen to know your reasons Sam.

Increase pressure or sustain pressure for a longer time = bullet goes faster.
Reduce pressure or decrease the time for which it is applied to the bullet = bullet goes slower.

Do you have other information that comes to a different conclusion?

Gerard
ABSOLUTELY YES
Your assertion is so general
for example load a 257 Wby with 70 gs of IMR 7828 with an estimated preassure of 55.000 cupand you get 3500 fps
and load it with IMR 4064 and 46 gs to the same pressure and you obtain 3300 fps

Gerard, Sorry I misread what you said. Yes if the the load is the same and only the bullet is changed the lowest pressure will be the lowest velocity. In the testing I have done I have seen quite often a higher velocity with lower pressures with the same bullet. Changing powders can give you more velocity with lower pressures. You can have very high pressures with no real gain in velocity.
If you look at the 470 pressure work Michael and I did in the Double Rifle Bullet of the Future thread you will see we used the same load with lots of different bullets. There are some very interesting pressure differences shown here. Look at the Woodleigh soft point and the Hornady DGS they both had the same velocity but quite a difference in pressure. This is on page 3 of the thread.

Sam

Gerard,

If you will look at the 470 pressure data Michael458 and I did in the Double Rifle Bullet of the Future thread on page 3 you will see that the original CEB 2 band 500 grain bullet had a higher velocity than most of the other bullets with the lowest pressure of all. Now I do realize that this is a non conventional bullet and is no longer available but it does prove my point that the lowest pressure isn't always the lowest velocity. You are correct with conventional bullets. I looked back at all my data and could not find a low pressure with a higher velocity.

Hi Sam,
Are you referring to this one?

Yes and how did you paste that page over? I tried to do that but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.

How many bands did the 466 have?

I think the 466 had 3 or 4 but I can't remember. Michael probably has the bullet filed away with all the information on it. He is a bullet hoarder.

Sam, You can right click the photo and copy / paste it on to Paint and save as a .jpg file. You can then post it as a normal photo.

How are your plans for Oz going?

Thanks Nakihunter, I thought that was what I tried but I don't remember the paint part.

Leave for Oz in a couple of weeks. I'm ready have double will travel. Looking forward to hammering a bunch of buffalo. Wish I could make NZ on this trip but maybe next time.