I am contemplating ordering one of the new Sabbati rifles from Cabelas in 450/400. Yes I know there is a thread on hear about Sabbatti. My question is should I order the gun with extractors or ejectors.

If this subject has been covered on this site before, kindly refer me to it thanks,

H Kittle

I vote for extractors.

Extractors for me too, Re-sale tends to favor the ejectors, but I really like my case at my feet, and not trying to ding me in the face.

Ed

Unless somethings changed,,, The 450/400 isn't one of the calibers offered.

While I don't have any experience dangerous game hunting, I do have a lot of experience with animals in the field as a naturalist and wildlife photographer.

A rifle shot may not attract any attention, but the metallic "ding" or "tink" of metal banging into itself will almost always get an animal's attention! I think any advantage in reload time with ejectors is far outweighed by being spotted if you brass collides. Extractors make more sense to me thinking from this standpoint.

This has been discussed here briefly before and many with more then a few nights in the bush seem to agree.

The old line of crap from Taylor about ejectors applies to days gone by that will never return.

Get ejectors.

A gent here gave me some great advice a few months ago and I followed it.
If ejectors are free take em, if you have to pay for them, forget them.

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Originally posted by viperidae:
While I don't have any experience dangerous game hunting, I do have a lot of experience with animals in the field as a naturalist and wildlife photographer.

A rifle shot may not attract any attention, but the metallic "ding" or "tink" of metal banging into itself will almost always get an animal's attention! I think any advantage in reload time with ejectors is far outweighed by being spotted if you brass collides. Extractors make more sense to me thinking from this standpoint.

This has been discussed here briefly before and many with more then a few nights in the bush seem to agree.

Yes, but considering you have just let off a big bore, hell, most animals are running away
and as Will said, the days of ejectors affecting hunting are long gone.

I like Snowwolfe's views.

I have shot a few elephants, at under 6 yards, with an extractor gun, and buff as close as 12 yards.

I have one extractor double and 2 ejector doubles...

I have shot elephant and cape buff with all 3 of them...

It really does not matter to me.

If buying a new made double I would probably get ejectors... If offered.

If I see a double I liked, if it had "only" extractors, that is not a negative factor to me.

I have used an extractor double and an ejector double in Africa on the same day with out any problems...

Mike,

The 450/400 is now offered. I have one on order.

H Kittle

I saw them at the Cabelas booth at DSC. They were only offering extractor guns and no mention of 450/400. Will Cabelas be offering the 450/400 and ejectors by special order? When do they expect them?

Thanks

And a single trigger while you're at it.

I've owned both and prefer ejectors but not enough to pay extra for them.

Ejectors.

But, the BANG of the rifle going off often merely confuses game. Even the second barrel often fails to allert game to your location. The incredibly audible PING of the ejectors never fails to alert close game to your exact location. I have had to run from elephants we didn't want to kill because of the PING of ejectors.

Still, no matter what anyone wants to argue, ejectors make a rifle faster to relaod, and that is more important in my view.

So, if you have a choice, and it doesn't cost too much, go for ejectors.

JPK

Sorry for my ignorance, but Do You have to make more effort to cock the sistem when open a double rifle with ejectors than extractor?, i have two sxs shotgun one with ejectors and the other with extractor and is really more difficult to open and cock that with ejectors than the other,besides this, the reloading time is almost the same and I did not have to pick-up the empty shell or suffer a possible shell impact on the face. Or this happens just in shotguns?. Thanks Gentlemans for be so pacient.Guille

Nothing comes for free. Takes more work to cock ejectors but when getting stepped on, who cares?

The problem for me is trying to get over catching the ejected shells. Bad practice if charged, eh?

If I ever have another double built from scratch, it will be a single trigger gun built with ejectors. Eliminate the risk of doubling and since your not doing culling the "pinging" noise spooking game is BS! Certainly this is my opinion and subject to the usual AR criticism. The best double I ever owned was a Westley Richards droplock in 450 3&1/4 with ejectors and a single trigger. I sure wish I still had it!

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I sure wish I still had it!

I wish I had it.

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Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
A gent here gave me some great advice a few months ago and I followed it.
If ejectors are free take em, if you have to pay for them, forget them.

I got to agree with Snowwolfe 100% on this one. Unless you cull DG for a living I can't see spending around 2K just so I have to dig around in the bushes to pick up my brass that costs several dollars each.

The brass issue is a red herring.

At the range, with even a little practice you can catch your brass as you open the gun and before it leaves the chambers. They pop into you open palm. Same with shotguns or rifles, it is just no issue.

Hunting around home, do the same.

Hunting for DG, who gives a damn? And if, strangely, a couple pieces of brass worth 1/10,000 of a hunt are all that important to you, they are easily retrieved by motivated trackers after the fact.

JPK

Ejectors for me.

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Sorry for my ignorance, but Do You have to make more effort to cock the system when open a double rifle with ejectors than extractor....

Only on crappy guns!

If there is extra effort on opening a gun with ejectors then there is something wrong with the gun or it is of poor design and not been properly set-up.

The extra effort is always on closing as you are having to re-cock the ejectors against their springs. Some systems are worse in this respect than others BTW.

The worst to close are probably Beesley system guns - Purdey and old "wrist breaker" Lancaster guns. Southgate ejectors are also often harder to close than a Westley box ejector system as the leverage advantage is not as good.

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And a single trigger while you're at it.

Disagree. One of the major advantages of a traditional two trigger double is that you have instant barrel selection. So can load solid and soft point side by side with instant choice.

Also if it does go wrong - a broken firing pin is favourite - at least the rifle is still usable as a single shot.

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I did not have to pick-up the empty shell or suffer a possible shell impact on the face.

Again the gun must be pretty crappy if it isn't regulated to not do this!

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Originally posted by JPK:
The brass issue is a red herring.

At the range, with even a little practice you can catch your brass as you open the gun and before it leaves the chambers. They pop into you open palm. Same with shotguns or rifles, it is just no issue.

Hunting around home, do the same.

Hunting for DG, who gives a damn? And if, strangely, a couple pieces of brass worth 1/10,000 of a hunt are all that important to you, they are easily retrieved by motivated trackers after the fact.

JPK

I have to admit JPK that they are all valid arguments... points taken.

Enfieldspares: My Westley single trigger had a barrel selector switch I could operate without thinking and as fast as selecting a trigger. In practice I'll bet not one time in a hundred has anyone ever made a decision to shoot the solid barrel first. With the quality of some of today's softs I would hunt everything with softs except elephant and hippo.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:

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And a single trigger while you're at it.

Disagree. One of the major advantages of a traditional two trigger double is that you have instant barrel selection. So can load solid and soft point side by side with instant choice.

Also if it does go wrong - a broken firing pin is favourite - at least the rifle is still usable as a single shot.

I fully agree with You, You have two triggers, if some of them is brokened, you can use the other, but with only one trigger shurelly you are screw-up.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
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Only on crappy guns!
If there is extra effort on opening a gun with ejectors then there is something wrong with the gun or it is of poor design and not been properly set-up.
The extra effort is always on closing as you are having to re-cock the ejectors against their springs. Some systems are worse in this respect than others BTW.
The worst to close are probably Beesley system guns - Purdey and old "wrist breaker" Lancaster guns. Southgate ejectors are also often harder to close than a Westley box ejector system as the leverage advantage is not as good.[/QUOTE]


Good point, i will check this,thanks, Guille

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Enfieldspares: My Westley single trigger had a barrel selector switch I could operate without thinking and as fast as selecting a trigger.

Take it as read that I include selective triggers that can be pre-selected (rather than the non-selective type) as the same as double triggers.

My favorite topic, the blind leading the blind.

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Originally posted by Will:
My favorite topic, the blind leading the blind.

Good advicers for the novate I will go for ejector but with double triggers, and training. Thanks. Guille

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:

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Sorry for my ignorance, but Do You have to make more effort to cock the system when open a double rifle with ejectors than extractor....

Only on crappy guns!

If there is extra effort on opening a gun with ejectors then there is something wrong with the gun or it is of poor design and not been properly set-up.

The extra effort is always on closing as you are having to re-cock the ejectors against their springs. Some systems are worse in this respect than others BTW.

The worst to close are probably Beesley system guns - Purdey and old "wrist breaker" Lancaster guns. Southgate ejectors are also often harder to close than a Westley box ejector system as the leverage advantage is not as good.

In the first place Enfield is correct, the ejectors are not cocked on opening, the strikers are cocked on opening. The ejectors are cocked on CLOSEING!

I say if you are buying a new double and ejectors are available, and not too expensive, get them, and disconect the springs if you want extractors. When it comes time to sell the rifle puth the springs back in,because they make the rifle sell better.

Well said Mac

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Originally posted by Will:
My favorite topic, the blind leading the blind.

Still better than taking advice from a retard who can't figure out how to use a second trigger.

Gentleman Thanks for Your advices. Guille

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by Will:
My favorite topic, the blind leading the blind.

Still better than taking advice from a retard who can't figure out how to use a second trigger.

Still suffering from that inferiority complex are we?

Will you've already proven to the world that you're an arrogant dickhead with limited motor function ability why go and celebrate the fact?

We need an emoticon for pissing fests!

How could you possibly get your tongue to reach either of your cheeks?

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Then again, you could have one barrel with an extractor and use an ejector with the second barrel. This is really handy if you have two triggers because you can choose which barrel to fire first, extractor or ejector.

No. You'd be much batter with a selector to select if you wanted the barrel you had just selected to eject or extract after you had fired it. This could perhaps be on the fore-end?

An "Elective Ejector Or Extractor Selector"

That way you could choose not only which barrel to fire first the left or the right but whether after you had fired it whether or not that barrel ejected or extracted as you required.

Really though a triple barrel is even better as then you can have hollow point, soft point and solid point loaded one in each. Add a fourth barrel for a Barnes X-Point in case you stray into Kalifornia on your hunt and all bases are covered!