Blaser S2 doubles

28 May 2008, 12:48

JohnWKiely

Pizzaboy,

I own a Blaser S2 Safari Super Luxus in 470 NE. I chose the Blaser as I wanted modern technology, metal etc. This brand of rifle raises a lot of discussion, mainly due to the cocking system. All I can say about my Blaser S2 Safari rifle is that it is accurate, quick to point and I find the cocking system easy to use and second nature with practice. Others have different opinions but I must say most comments I have read come from people who have not actually used the S2 Safari but comment based on their perception. Each to their own.

I have taken Scrub Bulls, Buffalo and pigs with my rifle.

There are things I dislike about the rifle but I could say that about most of the rifles I own.

I personally like the S2 Safari.

28 May 2008, 15:24

Will

This is all personal preference stuff, probably winding up 50% pro and 50% con, which never seems to prove much.

I have never hunted with an S2 but that lip over the barrels would seem to be a hinderance when trying to reload, since it doesn't open very wide in the first place. On the other hand, 99% of the time doubles never get reloaded in a hurry even on hunts, so who's going to notice?

I was part of the crowd that moaned and groaned about the cocking safety, before I owned one, on the Krieghoff, etc., but when I used one hunting "flipping the safety off" was easy and subconscious.

The cocking safety is an ideal setup for a second rifle (or first rifle for that matter) to be carried by a tracker/gun bearer. It is completely safe being carried uncocked.

The S2 is probably the same but my K 470 is independently accurate. Regardless of what I feed it, it just chucks them right in there at 25 yards. Could be a lot worse.

The vote is:

Con. The S2 is just a bit too trekkie for me, though the K is getting close!

Less sex appeal:

More sex appeal:

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28 May 2008, 19:18

pizzaboy

Sorry, I'm new to this forum and I should've looked for past posts about this rifle. I'll check those posts now. But thanks for the information on this post!

Pizzaboy

28 May 2008, 21:01

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by Will:
This is all personal preference stuff, probably winding up 50% pro and 50% con, which never seems to prove much.

I have never hunted with an S2 but that lip over the barrels would seem to be a hinderance when trying to reload, since it doesn't open very wide in the first place. On the other hand, 99% of the time doubles never get reloaded in a hurry even on hunts, so who's going to notice?

I was part of the crowd that moaned and groaned about the cocking safety, before I owned one, on the Krieghoff, etc., but when I used one hunting "flipping the safety off" was easy and subconscious.

The cocking safety is an ideal setup for a second rifle (or first rifle for that matter) to be carried by a tracker/gun bearer. It is completely safe being carried uncocked.

The S2 is probably the same but my K 470 is independently accurate. Regardless of what I feed it, it just chucks them right in there at 25 yards. Could be a lot worse.

The vote is:

Con. The S2 is just a bit too trekkie for me, though the K is getting close!

Less sex appeal:

pizzaboy, what Will left out is, there is one big difference between the Blazer, and the Krieghoff combi-cocking systems. The Kriegoff automaticlly re-cocks it's self when one or more shots are fired and the rifle broken open to re-load the chamber or chambers, so that when it is closed one only has to pull the triggers for two more shots. The Blazer does not re-cock the action if broken open for any reason,but actually automaticlly de-cocks it, and it must be manually re-cocked before you can get off another shot! In the heat of conflict, that is a serious difference, IMO!

Beyond dropping two fresh cartridges in the chambers, and slamming the rifle shut, and pulling the triggers again, durring a very close encounter with a bite-back, is a feature I can do without!

28 May 2008, 21:16

Will

quote:
The Blazer does not re-cock the action if broken open for any reason,but actually automaticlly de-cocks it

Yikes. I didn't know that. $10K is a lot of money for a fence post.

28 May 2008, 22:13

butchloc

quote:
Picture of Macifej

Posted 28 May 2008 10:16 Hide Post
OH! You did it now! The Old Geysers will be all over ya in no time about that Bastard S2!

well speaking for the old geysers: there is nothing wrong with the blaser s2.

it is in fact one of the most useful tools you can have when helping a tank out of the ditch.

thrown in with the kriefhoff you can do both tracks at the same time.

it is in fact possibly the most beautiful piece of buffalo dung in existence.

but of course i speak only for the old geysers

28 May 2008, 23:02

500grains

quote:
Originally posted by Will:

As long as I have 2 or more fingers, that rifle has too few triggers.

29 May 2008, 00:06

400 Nitro Express

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
quote:
Originally posted by Will:

As long as I have 2 or more fingers, that rifle has too few triggers.

Yep. Built for the developmentally challenged.
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29 May 2008, 00:25

Macifej

SEE!! I told ya they'd show up for the entertainment!!

29 May 2008, 00:53

Will

quote:
As long as I have 2 or more fingers, that rifle has too few triggers.

For all the hype, for all the reasons, for all the excuses, for all the crap disseminated about the necessity of double triggers on double rifles, wasn't there one of the guys at the forefront of the campaign who recently pulled both triggers on an elephant charge?

I believe there was.

29 May 2008, 00:55

Will

quote:
Yep. Built for the developmentally challenged.

Did you and 500 grains ever vacation together like I suggested? How did that work out for you guys?

29 May 2008, 02:08

400 Nitro Express

quote:
Originally posted by Will:
wasn't there one of the guys at the forefront of the campaign who recently pulled both triggers on an elephant charge?

I believe there was.

Yeah. Right. Amazing how all African game always charges, isn't it.

Why am I not surprised that you were defeated by something as simple to master as double triggers.
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29 May 2008, 03:58

Will

Surprised or not, I admit double triggers are beyond me under stress. About got myself stepped on once. That was enough.

And if honesty prevailed, I wouldn't be the only one to admit it around here.

29 May 2008, 05:26

N E 450 No2

Pizzaboy

I have 2 Blaser D99 Duos [double rifle drillings] that operate in the same way as the S2, ie. they decock upon opening, and must be recocked after reloading and closing.

They also have the same hood over the chambers as the S2.

I have not found either of these to be a problem.

As long as you practice with the gun, its operation will become second nature.

I switch between ejector and extractor doubles on the same hunt on the same day, and do not have any problems.

Likewise I can shoot a semi-auto pistol, and a revolver on the same day with out any confusion.
I can drive a standard and an automatic transmision vehicle on the same day as well.

Heck, some of my guns have 3 barrels, and only 2 triggers???

I've even got that figured out.

29 May 2008, 05:39

Macifej

29 May 2008, 05:55

Will

This is so much fun!

29 May 2008, 08:03

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Will:
Surprised or not, I admit double triggers are beyond me under stress. About got myself stepped on once. That was enough.

And if honesty prevailed, I wouldn't be the only one to admit it around here.

yet you are a proponent of a manual cocking system?

the s2 is a nice looking nice shooting piece of CRAP. I had a loading malfunction at the range to the all the sliding and odd bits moving... the double most likely to REMOVE a finger under stress....

10k? not a chance, buy a searcy for a few pennies more that will FIT YOU, and not the mythical "Average" user... not even will rates average

29 May 2008, 12:27

N E 450 No2

jeffe

Please elaborate on how an S2 almost took your finger off.

29 May 2008, 16:07

jeffeosso

two things...
it didn't bite me... but a slip under that overhang would wind up with stitches

Mike let me shoot his at the range, and we were having a nice morning. I had been having a fairly focused morning, and just got comfortable with the rifle,,, took two off my belt, dropped them in, by feel... you know, how one does with EVERY OTHER sxs, rifle or shotty

"closed" the action.. both rounds hung in the ~~contraption~~loading bocks/overhang/standing breech...

resulting in a FULL STOP, taking my eyes off the targets, and having to clear the weapon, that i have suddenly lost all confidence with.. rendering it a rather expensive club in an "on game" situation...

29 May 2008, 19:24

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Pizzaboy

I have 2 Blaser D99 Duos [double rifle drillings] that operate in the same way as the S2, ie. they decock upon opening, and must be recocked after reloading and closing.

They also have the same hood over the chambers as the S2.

I have not found either of these to be a problem.

As long as you practice with the gun, its operation will become second nature.

I switch between ejector and extractor doubles on the same hunt on the same day, and do not have any problems.

Likewise I can shoot a semi-auto pistol, and a revolver on the same day with out any confusion.
I can drive a standard and an automatic transmision vehicle on the same day as well.

Heck, some of my guns have 3 barrels, and only 2 triggers???

I've even got that figured out.

N E 450 No2:

I am sending you a PM.

Dave

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29 May 2008, 19:41

500grains

quote:
Originally posted by Will:
quote:
As long as I have 2 or more fingers, that rifle has too few triggers.

For all the hype, for all the reasons, for all the excuses, for all the crap disseminated about the necessity of double triggers on double rifles, wasn't there one of the guys at the forefront of the campaign who recently pulled both triggers on an elephant charge?

I believe there was.

Yes. A developmentally challenged individual as Mark suggested? Quite possibly.

If a guy is too clumsy to handle 2 triggers, how does he manipulate a gas pedal, a brake pedal, a clutch, a steering wheel, a shifter, a cup holder and a radio all in the same truck????

29 May 2008, 19:44

500grains

I want to commission a 3 barrel .500 NE for ele hunting. But it must have 3 triggers so that I can shoot the barrels in sequence, each with a different trigger. Not like the system used on drillings.

Also, it needs to weigh in at 10 pounds, not 15.

Once that system is proven, I will commission a new 3 barreled duck gun - 12 ga. x 3 inch x 3 barrels x 3 triggers. Must weigh 7 pounds.

29 May 2008, 20:13

Will

Do you have a web site for that hat?

29 May 2008, 20:43

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
two things...
it didn't bite me... but a slip under that overhang would wind up with stitches

Mike let me shoot his at the range, and we were having a nice morning. I had been having a fairly focused morning, and just got comfortable with the rifle,,, took two off my belt, dropped them in, by feel... you know, how one does with EVERY OTHER sxs, rifle or shotty

"closed" the action.. both rounds hung in the ~~contraption~~loading bocks/overhang/standing breech...

resulting in a FULL STOP, taking my eyes off the targets, and having to clear the weapon, that i have suddenly lost all confidence with.. rendering it a rather expensive club in an "on game" situation...

Jeff:

Was that really the fault of the rifle?

What were you impressions about shooting the rifle and its' quality and workmanship aside from this mishap?

Dave

29 May 2008, 21:57

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
I want to commission a 3 barrel .500 NE for ele hunting. But it must have 3 triggers so that I can shoot the barrels in sequence, each with a different trigger. Not like the system used on drillings.

Also, it needs to weigh in at 10 pounds, not 15.

Once that system is proven, I will commission a new 3 barreled duck gun - 12 ga. x 3 inch x 3 barrels x 3 triggers. Must weigh 7 pounds.

Here is the place where a single trigger makes some sense! However, the three barreled rifle would have only two triggers, the front trigger fireing the right barrel as usual, and the back trigger fireing the left barrel on the first pull, and the lower barrel on the second pull! This way the rifle is still not put out of service with the malfunction of the selective back trigger!

This would be good for Will, so he could shoot the rifle back trigger first, with it fireing the lower barrel on the second pull! Then if he could remember that the front trigger still has a live round under it, he might get off a third shot before the ele stomped him!

29 May 2008, 22:00

BEGNO

Pizzaboy,

Avoid all this Blaser controversy. FYI,
I just bought a NIB Merkel DR SxS in 470 N.E.
WITH EJECTORS, from one of the internet sellers, for $9,550 to my door. Haven't even had time to shoot it yet.(Yes, it has two triggers)

29 May 2008, 22:27

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by BEGNO:
Pizzaboy,

Avoid all this Blaser controversy. FYI,
I just bought a NIB Merkel DR SxS in 470 N.E.
WITH EJECTORS, from one of the internet sellers, for $9,550 to my door. Haven't even had time to shoot it yet.(Yes, it has two triggers)

Congratulations Butch! That was my thought as well, why mess with an abortion like the Blazer, when a real double rifle is available at the same price!

30 May 2008, 01:46

Jim Manion

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30 May 2008, 03:09

Macifej

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
I want to commission a 3 barrel .500 NE for ele hunting. But it must have 3 triggers so that I can shoot the barrels in sequence, each with a different trigger. Not like the system used on drillings.

Also, it needs to weigh in at 10 pounds, not 15.

Once that system is proven, I will commission a new 3 barreled duck gun - 12 ga. x 3 inch x 3 barrels x 3 triggers. Must weigh 7 pounds.

No Problem!!!

I'll make both your freak rifle and super freak shotgun - guarantee their function, weight, delivery in 12 months and I'll even pay the shipping. Just send $500,000 for the pair and I'll drop everything else!!

I'll need half up front to buy the material and have the forgings made....Balsa doesn't have much figure - I think I can get "wood grain" Thixo-molded into a nice magnesium stock fo ya!!

I'm thinking you might need a fourth "Master Trigger" in case all three primary triggers fail. Trigger four fires all remaining cocked hammers. You do like exposed rebound hammers eh??

30 May 2008, 04:11

surestrike

You all need to shut up. Don't you know that you are talking to the most experienced tourist hunter in the world!

30 May 2008, 06:48

500grains

Mac,

Please provide references for the last 6 three-barreled rifles that you build so that I can do my due diligence.

30 May 2008, 08:18

Macifej

Client List for last three six barreled rifles built:

1) Barney Fife

2) Boss Hogg

3) Elmer Fudd

30 May 2008, 20:18

butchloc

i'd like to have me one of them 6 barreled creations, but can you make one with 8 triggers so i can have a spare or two

31 May 2008, 02:31

Macifej

No Problem!! Send $750,000 and your wait goes down to 11 months!!

31 May 2008, 03:03

500grains

I am not too impressed by the shotguns you built for Mr. Fudd, as it seems they are always blowing up.

31 May 2008, 03:19

577NitroExpress

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
I am not too impressed by the shotguns you built for Mr. Fudd, as it seems they are always blowing up.

LOL!!!!!!!

31 May 2008, 03:25

JPK

quote:
Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:
quote:
Originally posted by Will:
wasn't there one of the guys at the forefront of the campaign who recently pulled both triggers on an elephant charge?

I believe there was.

Yeah. Right. Amazing how all African game always charges, isn't it.

Well, I did manage to double my rifle this trip, on a bull elephant, that was charging.

The comment from the peanut gallery which consists of one - surviving only the charging paper target - who has NO African hunt let alone elephant experience is humorous but rude, especially given his dearth of practical experience, the more so since this charge is on tape, and the last in a series of photos which have been posted here.

And then I am far, far from the only member here who has 1.) faced charging elephant, 2.) doubled their rifle. Might be the only one to have done it on a charging bull though.

I have not yet heard of Zim Parks and Wildlife's ruling on the bull and whether it will count against my quota or be ruled a self defense shooting. But they have the video, so I am hopeful. If its ruled self defense I will go again in September.

How 'bout you Mark, when you going to actually earn some practical experience and go try a double for what it was built for, eh?

JPK