Do your spent shells "fall out" or your chambers? I was just practicing reloading and found that mine (500/416) do not! Now, I was practicing with cast bullets, reduced loads so I don't know whether this would make a difference or not. What's the solution?
Thanks, Peter.

Peter,

I have a Krieghoff in .470 NE and yes the brass falls right out. The rifle is great, accurate, and reliable. Not the best looking girl in the class, but oh well.

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Originally posted by PSmith:
Peter,

I have a Krieghoff in .470 NE and yes the brass falls right out. The rifle is great, accurate, and reliable. Not the best looking girl in the class, but oh well.

Same here with my 450/400 but frankly mine is a looker as well. Nice wood and workmanship.

+3, mine is a .500 NE and fired brass drops right out.

Mine is a 470 and they fall out.

450-400, upgraded wood with Swarovski 1.5-5; brass pretty much falls out.

Peter

When hunting dangerous game I recommend only one Plan, that works 100% of the time...

On an extractor double [and my 450 No2 is an extractor Double] I recommend you "pluck out" the spent cases, and then reload.

This system will work 100% of the time.

If I am not under duress I "pluck" out the emptys, and put them in my back pocket... If I am under duress I "pluck" them out and drop them at my feet. Then I reload, one round at a time.

Peter,
I have had the same thing happen to me on a Merkel,I shot a lot of cast bullets out of that gun,cheap and worked well,I used full house loads as well,what I found was a buildup of lube from the bullets gumming up the chambers a bit and that caused the brass to stick a bit,it was really no problem to fix,just clean the chambers out and see what happens.

I hve a Krieghoff of my own and two company ones in .500/.416 and .375 FL- cases fall out easily on both.

On my own gun I had the angle of opening increased so that a fast reload was easier. The reloads also got alot quicker once the gun had 'worn in'- which took about 300 rounds and alot of dry shooting and reloading.

Get two sets of snap caps (available at one hell of a price from Kynock- or make your own by drilling a hole in the base of six rounds and inserting a regular .44 revolver snap cap and gluing it in place) and do some practice- techniques vary, but plucking the cases out is way too slow for my style.

Gentlemen, thanks for all the feedback. Bill I do plan on cleaning the chambers thoroughly.
Don, your comment about the "angle of opening" seems right on to me as it is rather small with very little margin for error ie. the case heads do not clear the receiver unless fully open. Who did this and how much did it cost? In any case, step one is to clean the chambers and step two is to try the exercise again with full house jacketed loads.
Don, you are right on as my gun has not "worn in" yet. Still stiff to open and close ie. it does not fall open. Does yours?
Peter.

Peter,

I sent mine back to the Service center in PA. for the same adjustment. No charge for the adjustment, cost was for shipping and insurance only.

http://www.krieghoff.com/ki/in...cle&id=217&Itemid=59



If you can find a shotgun event the Krieghoff sponsors they can do it there, or it least it was offered to me last year.

Sounds like it is a fairly simple adjustment? Thanks for the info. I will follow up.
Peter.

Peter - I got Krieghoff rep to do it even though I am fairly certain I could have made the change myself. I sugested that for the USA and African Markets that they offer this as a standard feature.

Mine drops open now but still too slowly and I use my thigh to force it open quicker and make sure the empties come out smartly. Mike Payne can do our basic PH speed shoot (6 shots on 3 targets - African reference section) in sub 16 seconds with his Krieghoff .470. When I get it right I can do it in 14 but when I get it wrong it is more like 22...Mike is pretty consistent at the 16 second mark with all shots in the 6" kill zones on the targets - that is where I want to get to

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I sent mine back to the Service center in PA. for the same adjustment.

Gee, I wonder where you guys got that idea.


I can also tell you how to get it to drop open, but you're going to have to ask nicely.

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I use my thigh

Don, me too! I have contacted Krieghoff and they will take the gun back and fix it under warranty.
Peter.

OK Will

Please, please be a nice Easter Bunny and
tell us how to get a K-Gun to drop open without
a factory adjustment.

Can't wait the time to have this done before the Hoot & Shoot

Thanks in advance,
Tetonka

You'll probably have to buy one of Will's elephant hide jock straps!
Peter.

I'm keen to hear how to do it too, Will.

Cheers.

GG

Me three !

Can't wait to hear how to make the adjustment.

Thanks

Well let's resurrect this thread for two reasons.
1. I see that Will still has not shed his light on how to increase the opening angle despite being asked nicely (as he specified).
"Please, please be a nice Easter Bunny and
tell us how to get a K-Gun to drop open without
a factory adjustment."
2. I did send my K gun back to Krieghoff in Pa. I asked them to increase the angle of opening, also asked them to check on the chambers and asked about a fiber optic front sight. I received the gun back today. Opening angle seems better but not what I would call a huge difference. Not sure what I was expecting though! Chambers were polished (both no charge). A new fiber optic front sight was installed (about $64). It is much smaller than the fiber optic front sight I have on my Skeet gun, but should be more precise. When they installed it, they shot it for regulation and said it was shooting low so I had them install a new higher rear sight which they said fixed the problem. Additional charge but we worked out a deal. Obviously the proof of the pudding... so I will have to try this baby out. I am excited! Thanks to everyone who posted suggestions.
Peter.

Peter,

The problem with the Krieghoff is the opening angle. It is shallow to begin with and then partially closes after opening.

Mine went back to the service center and it was adjusted. It worked fine for about 8 months, but is now back to where it was prior to its trip to PA.

I called the service center and they were surprised that it "lost" the adjustment. After telling them how many rounds were fired through it they said that was the reason. So it looks like the "adjustment" will last about 350 rounds and will need to be done again.

And Will, pretty please tell us, I even bought and read your book.

Mike, I have the same problem with my K-gun. What I normally do is when I break the gun to reload, I hold it horizontally. Most of the time the weight of the barrels seems to pull in open enough to insert to more rounds.

Will,

Maybe I did not ask politely enough.
So Pretty Pretty please with a cherry on top.
Tell us you magic.

Nitro450exp

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It is shallow to begin with and then partially closes after opening.

Damn it Mike, that is exactly right! Hopefully I now have more margin for error.
Peter.

My K 450-400 was as new when I got it and I've put 360 rounds thru it since Dec '09. At first it was pretty stiff to open but now it just flops open to it's max with plenty of clearance to unload/load. After each range session I clean it up real good and apply a thin coat of the lube, included with the gun, to the metal/metal areas.

Could what folks be experiencing be nothing more than grim buildup?

This is a response I received via email from Don Baughman at Krieghoff:

"Yes, over a period of time the opening will get easier although when it becomes as easy as it was when you sent it in there will be a tendency for the barrels to want to push back again when opened. This is the overcock relationship between the hammers and sears in which the springs want to push the hammers forward thereby causing the breech to close up somewhat. This also over time will lessen as the opening wears and pushes back less."
Peter.

Sorry Friends, Will must still be OFF his meds.
Nearly everyone has asked nicely about the angle of opening on a K-Gun with no answer while he posts on every other item. I worry about his book, maybe a Ghost Writer??? There is a fix as
per Norbert Hassmann (former Krieghoff Master Gunsmith) now co-owner of Blaser USA. I am having my 450/400 NE 3 in. done locally in Texas by Canyon Sporting Arms, Tip Burns, owner and gunsmith, for about the same as shipping and insurance back to Krieghoff. It is no fun to face any angry lion and have a problem reloading. The "camp staff" will NO longer do your laundry after such a "Problem"

Good hunting
Tetonka

tetonka, perhaps you can ask him how he did it, as, absent Will's expertise I have no idea? Perhaps we need to buy an elephant hide wallet first?!!!
To continue my saga. when I tested the gun after it came back from Kreighoff it was shooting high, so, I changed the rear sight back to my original one and it shoots extremely well at 50 yards, open sights with the original loads that I had worked up. Now I just have to remount the scope and test that as well and we are back in business.
Again, let us know what the solution is.
Peter.

Peter,
I don't know the details of the gunsmithing job
yet. Will find out next week more exactly what
is involved and whether after 350 or so rounds
it will revert back to original opening status.

I will report when I have the information.

Meantime, we may all have noticed that Will has
his "single trigger" K-Gun 470 NE for sale in
the classified plus being announced here. No
telling what he is up to or if he got a new bottle of Meds. Tee Hee Hee......

Good hunting, shoot straight
Tetonka

Will finally answered in another post here with a picture. Good explanation.
Thanks Will, glad to see you back on your meds.
TeeHeeHee, must be the reason his single trigger double K-Gun is for sale now. Its probably a collectors item as Krieghoff no longer makes Big Bore double guns with single triggers.



Shoot straight,
Tetonka

Yup! Saw it! Mine has two triggers, Still I am interested in what your guy says and does.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:

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It is shallow to begin with and then partially closes after opening.

Damn it Mike, that is exactly right! Hopefully I now have more margin for error.
Peter.

It is like the guy from Krieghoff that is quoted above. When the action is opened it has to cock the hammers and after it does the hammers come forward a bit before they are caught. So yeah it pushes back (tries to close) a bit. Could put in weaker hammer springs and all sort of stuff but may not be worth it.

Peter,

Talked to my gunsmith today. He described the
solution as follows: Remove the pin described by Will, Put it in a lathe and remove .002 (two thousanths inch) from the center of the pin and replace the pin in the forearm. (No filing). Also the hammer cocking springs are very robust, you can take one turn off of each spring if necessary. If you mess up and go to far, these items are replaceable.

Work in process, will have the gun back the end of next week. We'll see what happens

Good shooting,
Tetonka

Thanks Tetonka. That sounds more involved, but perhaps a more elegant solution than using a file! I guess there is an upper limit on how much to take off! I would be reluctant to mess with the hammer cocking springs though.
Peter.

Peter,

I wouldn't try this without the EXPERT help I have available. A Krieghoff Master is overseeing the project. Will let you know what
happens, probably get gun back next Friday, shoot over weekend then report.

Tetonka

How did these modifications workout?

Is the .002 radius or diameter?