I have a trijicon sight on a 470 and notice that (for my eyes) it seems to be a bit blurry and has a flare to it. I don't see a sharp round red dot. I am wondering if others have the same problem and how is the Doctor reflex sight in comparison, if someone has both they can give an honest assessment.

Finally I hear the aimpoint is the best red dot out there, any thoughts on that on a double rifle?

Thanks
AR

Your observations are as mine.
Doctor is sharper.
Also the Trijicon Colors the World a bit blue or green, the Doctor does not.

Own 3 or 4 of each-
Like the Dr on th Double Rifles and pistols.

Like the Trijicon on CQB AR platforms.

If you look back you ll see I went through this problem and it was. I tried an Aimpoint . A great red dot, sharp and size I liked. But it threw my regulation off on my .577. Had to switch to a Dokter which works great as far as regulation but not as sharp. Having said that, on a fast snap shot now in SA the Doktor larger dot probably did help me getting on target quicker. I kept my Aimpoint on my .45-70 with a detachable 6x magnifier but again it throws the regulation off.

Docter all the way.

Nitro

What happens if the battery or technology fails suddenly?

I don't like illuminated scopes, but at least there is a conventional reticle there if SHTF, though I worry about hunters not 'seeing' it if they get too used to the light. (Of course they would see the reticle but, having paid big bikkies for the illuminated model, the possibility of light-loss panic or Tourettes-like obsession can't be dismissed.)

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
What happens if the battery or technology fails suddenly?

I don't like illuminated scopes, but at least there is a conventional reticle there if SHTF, though I worry about hunters not 'seeing' it if they get too used to the light. (Of course they would see the reticle but, having paid big bikkies for the illuminated model, the possibility of light-loss panic or Tourettes-like obsession can't be dismissed.)

I had that happen to me in 2016. Right after firing the first shot at an elephant.

Talk about disconcerting!

The factory was extremely surprised. It is apparently extremely rare for this to happen.

Mate of mine has been using a Doctor for years in specialist opprrations after bad guys. He has full faith in it.....

Aimpoint guarantees 5 year lifetime, but in reality they last 8-10 years. So if you change battery once per 5 year, you will never experience that an Aimpoint goes out of power. Write the year you shall change the battery on a piece of tape fastened on your Red dot sight, then you wouldnt have any problems when you should change the battery.

Swedish armed forces Aimpoint has a built in Silveroxide battery that cant be changed by the Soldier. The Aimpoint are sent back to the manufacturer every 8 year and changed there under strict supervision.

The "secret" thing with Aimpoint is their Patented LED function. When you look into the red dot -you cant believe that the LED light actually is turned off longer time than its on, the Eye is fooled by the fast blinking and only see the red dot as it was permanent ON. Therefore Aimpoints batterys last longer than any other brand on the market.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
What happens if the battery or technology fails suddenly?

I don't like illuminated scopes, but at least there is a conventional reticle there if SHTF, though I worry about hunters not 'seeing' it if they get too used to the light. (Of course they would see the reticle but, having paid big bikkies for the illuminated model, the possibility of light-loss panic or Tourettes-like obsession can't be dismissed.)

I had that happen to me in 2016. Right after firing the first shot at an elephant.

Talk about disconcerting!

The factory was extremely surprised. It is apparently extremely rare for this to happen.

That's the kind of situation I would fear. It may not be usual but the possibility is there. All sights are vulnerable to some extent but relying on batteries is just asking for trouble IMHO.

Yes ozhunter, I hear you but question whether it is part of some syndrome. Army snipers seem to like illuminated scopes, too, but I wonder if their career selection inclines them towards risky, less-than-sporting behaviour. When does new technology take us beyond fair-chase morality? Hard to say but the introduction of electronics might be one place we could draw a simple line.

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
What happens if the battery or technology fails suddenly?

I don't like illuminated scopes, but at least there is a conventional reticle there if SHTF, though I worry about hunters not 'seeing' it if they get too used to the light. (Of course they would see the reticle but, having paid big bikkies for the illuminated model, the possibility of light-loss panic or Tourettes-like obsession can't be dismissed.)

I had that happen to me in 2016. Right after firing the first shot at an elephant.

Talk about disconcerting!

The factory was extremely surprised. It is apparently extremely rare for this to happen.

That's the kind of situation I would fear. It may not be usual but the possibility is there. All sights are vulnerable to some extent but relying on batteries is just asking for trouble IMHO.

Yes ozhunter, I hear you but question whether it is part of some syndrome. Army snipers seem to like illuminated scopes, too, but I wonder if their career selection inclines them towards risky, less-than-sporting behaviour. When does new technology take us beyond fair-chase morality? Hard to say but the introduction of electronics might be one place we could draw a simple line.

Mine was not the battery. Something broke on the inside. Do was quite shaken by the report. The have shock proofed the entire device.

On another matter, I have some Aimpoints on some of my ARs. I love them. However, I can guarantee that not a single one had batteries last 5 years.

I have been shooting a Trijicon on my .500 NE. I like it. Just shot 2 ele with it a month ago.

I would give them the mark for tuffness over the Docter.

I also have the Trijicon's on several big bores and they have never given me a hint of a problem. Plus, now, Trijicon has introduced one with a one MOA dot for a bit finer work.

Larry, return the Aimpoint to their nearest dealer then.
You will be suprised how interested they will be in your Aimpoints.

O

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
What happens if the battery or technology fails suddenly?

I don't like illuminated scopes, but at least there is a conventional reticle there if SHTF, though I worry about hunters not 'seeing' it if they get too used to the light. (Of course they would see the reticle but, having paid big bikkies for the illuminated model, the possibility of light-loss panic or Tourettes-like obsession can't be dismissed.)

I had that happen to me in 2016. Right after firing the first shot at an elephant.

Talk about disconcerting!

The factory was extremely surprised. It is apparently extremely rare for this to happen.

That's the kind of situation I would fear. It may not be usual but the possibility is there. All sights are vulnerable to some extent but relying on batteries is just asking for trouble IMHO.

Yes ozhunter, I hear you but question whether it is part of some syndrome. Army snipers seem to like illuminated scopes, too, but I wonder if their career selection inclines them towards risky, less-than-sporting behaviour. When does new technology take us beyond fair-chase morality? Hard to say but the introduction of electronics might be one place we could draw a simple line.

Mine was not the battery. Something broke on the inside. Do was quite shaken by the report. The have shock proofed the entire device.

On another matter, I have some Aimpoints on some of my ARs. I love them. However, I can guarantee that not a single one had batteries last 5 years.

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Batteries are cheap. I swap them out in all my scopes once a year

Charlie

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Originally posted by larryshores:

... Mine was not the battery. Something broke on the inside. Do was quite shaken by the report. The have shock proofed the entire device...

Yes, illumination has double jeopardy - and the makers know it. Until recently at least, while Leupold guaranteed scopes for life, the illumination warranty was only good for a year or two.

I have 2 of each. I prefer Docter. Clearer glass with less edge distortion, sharper red dot.

Both brands, however, have been tough and reliable.

Have a few of your friends look thru the sight, if they do not see the same issues then you should have your eyes checked.

A friend & customer complained of the dot being football shaped with a flare. I could not see it when I looked through the sight. He went for a eye exam & found he needed glasses. Now wearing glasses the same sight looks perfect to him

The distortion I am told is caused by astigmatism

I agree with the sentiments about eye checks. Though some might be too vain to wear glasses, they can be more important than any other optical aid. They may be needed just to find the game in the first place, can make a peep sight close to accurate as a scope - and protect your eyes in case of a popped primer.

On another note : can the Doctor and trijicon batteries be changed out without taking the scope off ? and off course re sighting the sight.