woodrow S...i meant to direct that post to Tomo577.

h2oboy,
we are on the same page.

It must have something to do with ones physical build because a Kreigoff is about the worst handling gun I have ever tried..It is too long in the action and in the grip and way to straight for off hand shooting..and that safety is an accident looking for a place to happen...I just cannot get by a double rifle that doesn't handle like a Boss 410 shotgun. When I toss it to my shoulder with my eyes closed and I open my eyes I want to be on target or real close.