Hi Everyone
A good fried of mine has discovered a Holland and Holland 450 Nitro Express No2 Double rifle in Zambia
He could not get me any images but I though I would ask what you think the range could be on value. I told him to get it checked out ASAP, but he was a bit lax to do so incase it was worthless. Perhaps someone here will have some info that may get him moving.
By the way, if there is an expert on these in the forum, please let me know what he shoul dbe looking for in the way of proof marks to identify the said rifle and condition scores etc.
Pictures to follow in a while hopefully.
Thanks
Ian

"but he was a bit lax to do so incase it was worthless."

Well, unless you look at it, you'd never know.

Re proof marks - just write down what they are and tell you, it will become very evident what it is.

Hammer / Hammerless
Boxlock / Sidelock
Engraving coverage
CCH left or worn or gone completely
Bore Condtion


I would get it looked at ASAP.

Thanks for the info. I was hoping that there may only ever have been a limited number of them made and that it would be an obviouse one. But alas..
Can you please explain the abreviation CCH, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE.
I will send the questions to him now to get him to try answer
Thanks
Ian

SMS update
Hammerless boxlock
More info to follow tomorrow

boxlock ?

please vlam let us get some pictures. or he can take it to charles

mailto:charles@suburbanguns.co.za

he is an apraiser for holts in london.

but we still want pictures, price can be from 2.000,-us to 50.000,-us depending on condition provenance etc.

best regards

peter

Hi Peter
Have spoken with him, he will try and gather info.
Rifle is in remote part of Zambia, no internet
Thanks
Ian

these guys in africa are good:

charles montgomery SA tel 0027 21 797 8787

or

Sven Ahrens namibia tel: 00264(0)81 124 9292

best regards

peter

quote:

Originally posted by Vlam:
Thanks for the info. I was hoping that there may only ever have been a limited number of them made and that it would be an obviouse one. But alas..
Can you please explain the abreviation CCH, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE.
I will send the questions to him now to get him to try answer
Thanks
Ian

Ian,

Not ignorance by any means. Just rememeber, we all originally knew nothing, hence there is never a dumb question

CCH - Colour Case Hardening - all those loverly colours you see on guns.

Ian

450 No 2 is PROBABLY not a common calibre in a Holland
as they had the 500/450 and then the 500/465 after the ban,
but as they say, if a customer orders it, they'll sell it.

It could of course be a Webley or other maker
"Regulated by Holland" as one option.


Anyway, I would suggest posting info here as opposed to appraisers,
at least at first otherwise someone might well get to it first.

I have seen a H&H Dominion in 450 No2. It had been rebarreled by JJ Perodeau, and so marked on the barrels.

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I have seen a H&H Dominion in 450 No2. It had been rebarreled by JJ Perodeau, and so marked on the barrels.

In the '70's I owned and hunted with a H&H Royal Deluxe in .450#2. Sold in a weak moment!

AfricanHunter

Someday, you need to write your hunting stories about the different double rifles you have hunted with.

Where you found/bought them, and the loads used and animals taken.