Are these the same...ie; will the barrels interchange??

Savage imported some Valmet shotguns marked Savage 330, but am unaware if in fact they are the same receiver as 412 just with another (importer's) name/model#??

Does anyone know where to find 412 barrel sets?

9.3X74R / 9.3x74R
308/308
3006/3006

etc??

I believe the 412's have a bigger heavier frame, and are NOT the same.

Look around on the net, i see 412 bbl sets forsale quite often.

Keep in mind the 512 bbl. sets DO interchange with the 412's.

DM

The Savage 330 is nothing but a Valmet 412 with savage's name, and wood on it! The locks are manualy cocked as well,on All Valmet/Tikka doubles, and doubel triggers are available, but in your case the single trigger is what you want! It does have a selector, that is a slideing button on the trigger base, and works like a charm. I have an old Valmet Lion single trigger gun that is 30 yrs old, and though I'd like to have double triggers, I haven't had a problem with the single trigger. I also have an O/U 9.3X74R double rifle with a single trigger, but not selective, because the top barrel is cocked by inertia, so a selector would be useless.

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The Savage 330 is nothing but a Valmet 412 with savage's name, and wood on it! The locks are manualy cocked as well,on All Valmet/Tikka doubles, and doubel triggers are available, but in your case the single trigger is what you want! It does have a selector, that is a slideing button on the trigger base, and works like a charm. I have an old Valmet Lion single trigger gun that is 30 yrs old, and though I'd like to have double triggers, I haven't had a problem with the single trigger. I also have an O/U 9.3X74R double rifle with a single trigger, but not selective, because the top barrel is cocked by inertia, so a selector would be useless

I'm NOT being argumentative, but for some reason i remember the 330's as being the same frame as the Savage 2400's. Are sure that the 330's are 412's???

Personally, i prefer double triggers on my 412's...

DM

To throw more confusion into the mix.....I've also found some Savage model 333 as well. I'm guessing that one of these will be the same as the 412/512 series....but which?

I do not want to make an expensive mistake!
I have found a Savage 330 with a 12/12 & 20/20 barrels set reasonably priced. If a 412 9.3/9.3 barrel would fit as well I'm in biz.

Of course all I'm seeing is the pictures,
I've never handled any of these gun in the flesh to draw any comparisons to.

Can you post the pict of the shotguns, or give me the addy so i can see them?

DM

The 330 is on gunbroker.com

333 is on gunsamerica.com

I could bring up the 330, but not the 333.

Yes the 330 does looks quite similar on the outside to the 412, but the monoblock of the bbls is QUITE different! I don't think 412 bbls will fit that 330.

BTW, my friend has a VERY early 412, probably a prototype?? And it's not like any other 412 (internally) that i've ever seen, and no other bbls that i've seen will fit it either.

I personally have some "prototype" 412 bbl sets, and they won't fit "his" receiver either, but will fit all the other 412's i've seen.

DM

Thanks very much. I will not buy it then.

The 330 was the most interesting because of both 12 & 20 barrels. And the attractive price.

Well......I may still buy it.....at least....I wont buy it thinking the 412 barrels will fit.

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Originally posted by DM:

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The Savage 330 is nothing but a Valmet 412 with savage's name, and wood on it! The locks are manualy cocked as well,on All Valmet/Tikka doubles, and doubel triggers are available, but in your case the single trigger is what you want! It does have a selector, that is a slideing button on the trigger base, and works like a charm. I have an old Valmet Lion single trigger gun that is 30 yrs old, and though I'd like to have double triggers, I haven't had a problem with the single trigger. I also have an O/U 9.3X74R double rifle with a single trigger, but not selective, because the top barrel is cocked by inertia, so a selector would be useless

I'm NOT being argumentative, but for some reason i remember the 330's as being the same frame as the Savage 2400's. Are sure that the 330's are 412's???

Personally, i prefer double triggers on my 412's...

DM

The 330, 333, and the 333-T are all valmet shotguns. The difference between them is the 330 has a vinalated rib, and ejectors 12-20 ga, the n333-T is a trap gun, with extractors, and a monticarlo stock, and extra wide vent rib, and I believe all are Valmet Lions.

The Valmet 412 has a recoil lug projection that fits into a mortace in the bottom of the action,so you may be right, and the 333, 333T, and the 330 barrels may not fit the 412 action, which is slightly different! None the less, all are Valmets!

We are the importer for the Valmet (now called FinnClassic) gun, and while the 512S bbls will fit the Tikka 512 and Valmet 412 guns (and all of the internal parts are interchangeable), the design of the Savage guns was signficantly different and there are no known common parts.

For those wanting double triggers on a 412 or 512, we can retrofit a double trigger kit for $100.

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The Valmet 412 has a recoil lug projection that fits into a mortace in the bottom of the action,so you may be right, and the 333, 333T, and the 330 barrels may not fit the 412 action, which is slightly different! None the less, all are Valmets!

Hey Mac,

I never questioned whether they were Valmets, i was just questioning whether the 412 bbls would fit or not as that was the "origional" question!

I have one of the Savage 2400's so i knew they wouldn't fit that, but my memory was telling me the 300 series shotguns were built on the 2400 actions...

DM

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The Valmet 412 has a recoil lug projection that fits into a mortace in the bottom of the action,so you may be right, and the 333, 333T, and the 330 barrels may not fit the 412 action, which is slightly different! None the less, all are Valmets!

Hey Mac,

I never questioned whether they were Valmets, i was just questioning whether the 412 bbls would fit or not as that was the "origional" question!

I have one of the Savage 2400's so i knew they wouldn't fit that, but my memory was telling me the 300 series shotguns were built on the 2400 actions...

DM

DM, if I remember right the 2400 was a combo rifle/shotgun, and if that is correct, then the Valmets with any rifle barrel have the lug on the bottom of the Mono-block, And the shot barrels without the lug MAY fit the 2400/412, but not the reverse, because of that lug on the bottom of the mono-block of the rifle barrels. Maybe they were made enough different so they wouldn't be interchangable for a reason, mainly to sell new rifles, rather than just barrel sets! I have an old Valmet FINNISH LION, 12 ga shotgun, and I know the 412 barrels will not fit it! I bought one of the first "VALMET SHOOTING SYSTEMS" as they were known. It consisted of a fitted case, with the 412 action, and three sets of barrels. Mine were a pair of double rifle barrels, chambered for 9.3X74R, a set of combo barrels, 12 ga/9.3X74R, and a pair of 12ga shot barrels. I loved that set, but wanted a S/S much more so traded it in, now I wish I had it back! It has been many years ago, but if I remember correctly, I paid only $1500 for the set, in the late 60s, or early 70s! I've had three valmet doubles since that one, and never had a moments trouble with any of them.
Keep me informed, as all I'm going on now is a fualty memory of a 70 yr old!

The 2400 actions are NOT like 412 actions, and nothing from a 412 will fit a 2400.... I don't think anything from any of the older Savage/Valmets will work in a 412 action either.

As for the double 9.3's you talk about, there's a LONG story that goes with them. I'm the guy that got the FIRST two 9.3's bbl sets that came into the USA. In fact, they were carried in by the pres. of Valmet USA as "personal favour" to me! He didn't even have any idea Valmet made them, nor did he know what they were. If i had not called him and bugged him over and over about them, he never would have started importing them.

One day after a trip to the factory, he called me and said. "i have a present for you"...

Besides the first two he hand carried in for me, i agreed to take the FIRST 20 double sets he imported after that. That was just to get him to agree to put them on his import license and stock them.

He did it all as favour to me, hand carrying them in, in his luggage and sending them on to me through the mail... Great Guy!!

I believe "that" all happened in 1981. I still have one of the first two Bob hand carried in for me...

Maybe Bob is reading this???? THANK YOU Bob!!

DM

Thanks for the history lesson on the Valmets! They were actually the first double rifles imported that anyone could afford. As I said I wish I still had the shooting system, and one of the others I had later. It was a double rifle, with 375 Win chambering, and though I took several muledeer in New Mexico with it in the origenal chambering, I had tot modify it some! Can't leave anything alone! I rechambered it to 375 JDJ, and regulated it with 270 gr bullets. Then I permanently soldered the regulations solid, and installed ribs between the barrels, changed the sights to Quarter rib, and ramp front with a warthog bead! That rifle was a black assasine, over bait! That one is now in Africa, and is a lion getter today!

I've been thinking about getting another one chambered for 9.3X74R and get the synthetic ribs that are available today. They are handy canoe rifles, for moose!