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After enjoying the bliss and elation of aquiring a 450 No2 NE double rifle, I am presented with the first dilemma: My Rock Chucker does not allow me to insert a shell in the shellholder without unscrewing the Triebel die, which is a bit awkward. What press do you use for these big shells? Lee Classic Cast? I will use Hornady 480 grs softpoints an solids for starters. Probably working with Vihtavuori N140 up to ca 88 grs for 2150 fps, we'll see whereabout she regulates.. Oh, and my rifle is a Henneberger converted AYA Royal sidelock. Happy with it so far - no collectors value so it will be put to good use.  Boha | ||
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Hello Boha, I am using an Redding Ultra Mag reloading press for my .450No2. However even on this huge reloading press, I had to cut a 6 mm radius 6mm deep into the frame for easier cartridge removal. I personally would not recommend using a Powder like N140 as I think this is far too quick burning in this large cartridges. I use H4831 and N165. Robert | |||
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Thank you, Robert. Sounds like good advice, the only load I found over the internet was a Reloader 15 load and that would be the equivalent of N140. I use N140 in my .500 Jeffery. What load do you use with the N165? Boha | |||
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I use a Lee Classic cast press to load 416 Rigby with plenty of room to spare. I would expect your longer 450NE to easily fit in this press. Keep in mind it was made to accommodate the 50BMG. Also, regardless of your opinion of Lee products, this press is well made, high quality, and the price can't be beat. | |||
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Boha, PM send Robert | |||
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boha, I don't know about the #2, but I can load my 450x 3 1/4 in my Rockchucker press. The case just needs to be tilted a bit to clear the decapping pin, and, the bullet just needs to be pushed up into the seating die before placing on top of the case. I little bit of fiddling, I know, but it save buying a new press! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Yep that is THE way to go. It has TONS of throw and clearance. | |||
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That is what I use as well for my 416 Rigby and 450NE 3 1/4" jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I would use the lee classic cast press. I have the ammo master II as well. It has in my opinion too much throw on the lever. I use it for my 50 cal and some bullet swaging. It in my opionion is a lot of press for nitro express cartridges. Mac | |||
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The AMMO master 2 is the way to go because the 450No2 NE is considerably longer than the 450NE 3 1/4 inch! NOTICE: TYPO CORRECTED IN RED BELOW The 450NE 3 1/4" case length is 3.25 inches,while the 450No2NE case length is 3.50 inches! The 450NE 3 1/4 inch OAL of the loaded cartridge is 4.11 inches, while the OAL length of the 450No2 is 4.42 inches. A press that just will take the 450NE 3 1/4" will not take a 450No2 NE cartridge. Even though the OAL of the 450No2 is 4.42 inches the bullet needs a lot of room before the case touches the bottom of the bullet. The RCBS AOMO-Master 2 is about the best new press for this cartridge. I use an old RCBS BIG MAX for the 450NoNE cases but that press has been discontenued for some years. I have a Westley Richards 450No 1 Express rifle and the cases have to be made it from the 475No2 cases which are the same length as the 450No2 NE and my Rock Chucker press will not work with a case that long, nor will the LEE! For the trimmer the best way to go is with a trim die! Hope any of this helps! By the way, that is a nice looking conversion! Congratulations!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Or...a Lee Classic Cast-iron press...or a Lee Classic Turret press. The Turret press would be my pick for the .450 as you can get a Lee FCD in 7/8" size. I have one of each of the above because the Lee FCD for .500 NE is 1 1/4" which won't fit my turret press. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My Hollywood single stage press has LOTS of room. | |||
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Thanks Mac, I was not aware of that amount of difference. What is/was the parent case for the 450 #2? Oops! I see "475No2". What the hell is THAT?!!! Bullets add and inch to the OAL? Holy smoke! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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The parent case is basiclly a 500NE case but longer, and bottlenecked! The 475N2 NE is the same case as the 450No2 NE case only necked out to take the 475 bullet, and it has a thicker and wider rim OAL and case length are the same in both cases! Those two cases are the longest cases and loaded cartridges in the NE field of cartridges. Both are very low pressure compared to the 450NE, and all the 470 class cartridges, and that is why most conversions to a .450 cartridge on a shotgun action are the 450N2 NE. The only problem is you have to overhual your loading room for these two cartridges! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I do everything but crimp (not a problem with .450) in my Lee Classic turret...then crimp with LFCD in my Lee Classic cast single stage. You'll hard pressed to buy a better system...esp for the money...probably MANY just as good...albeit...more money. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Mac, thanks for the education! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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JL Easter the 450NE and the 450No2 NE are far different cartridges. The No2 will not work in a press that will just handle a 450 NE 3 1/4"! The 450No2 case is 0.25" longer than the 450NE and the 450No2 is 0.31 longer in OAL than the 450NE. ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I'll have to check to make sure but the Lee Classic Cast was made for .50 BMG. I think the Lee Classic Turret has the same length stroke..but will check. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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http://www.leeprecision.com/cg...l#ClassicTurretPress Lee Classic Turret Press This press has all the features of the award-winning Turret Press with quality touches that make this the finest, most convenient press to own. The Classic Turret features the solid steel linkage of the Lee Classic Cast. Your first stroke of the hardwood gripped lever will convince you this is one, solid silky smooth press! The sturdy iron base shows its Classic Cast roots. The long stroke allows rifle cases over three inches long to be loaded using the automatic index. Deactivate the Auto-Index and cases as long as the monster 50 BMG can be loaded. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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So...as I was saying...you could use the Lee Classic turret all the way through...for a .450 No2 NE. But I have to switch to my single stage Lee Classic Cast to crimp my .500 NE's as the custom made Lee FCD for .500 NE is 1 1/4" X 12 tpi. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I think your measurement on the 450NE loaded OAL is a little off? I don't have one. But it seams way short. Let correct myself. I am talking about the LEE Classic Cast 50 BMG press not just the regular Cast press. Mac | |||
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McKay, you are correct. I think there was typo in Mac's original post. Obviously the OAL of a loaded round (3.11) cannot be less than the case length (3.25). I suspect he meant 4.11 not 3.11. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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.50 BMG Specifications Case type Rimless, bottleneck Bullet diameter .510 in(12.95 mm) Neck diameter .560 in (14.2 mm) Shoulder diameter .714 in (18.1 mm) Base diameter .804 in (20.4 mm) Rim diameter .804 in (20.4 mm) Case length 3.91 in (99 mm) Overall length 5.45 in (138 mm) Primer type #35 Arsenal Primer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Therefore...the Lee Presses should work fine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I might have to pick up one of those Lee Classic Turret presses. I have an ancient RockChucker, a RockChucker Supreme but I think I "need" one of these too. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I think they are the Cat's Ass (not the Dog's Bollocks, Steve). I disengage the automatic turning thing and turn by hand. Keep all my regular dies set up in a turret. The .500 through me a kink...as the Lee FCD is 1 1/4. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You are absolutely correct it is 4.11. I will go back and edit it! Do I get a blind fold, and a cigarette before the exicusion? ...............  ...............  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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J L Lane you are absolutely correct! I had it confused with another LEE press. Damn! That's the second mistake I've made since 1947!  ...................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You must not be married. I was ALMOST right just once in 1995 according to my wife with whom I have been with for 30 years. ALMOST right. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Executions are normally handled using bolt actions rifles! The ultimate insult! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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DOC I married the first time June 26th 1954, and have been married to my second wife 49 years last August 19th! So I guess I'll have to bring that up to 1954 from 1947! Let's see now thatsssssssssssssss three mistakes since 1947! ...........................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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For the 3-1/2" case I use the Lee Classic Cast press. I've been running this press for a few years now, and I've been very happy with it. I've loaded everything from .25acp up to the big 450no2NE cases. I get great feedback from it - so much so that I even do a great deal of my primer seating with it as a matter of course. Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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Now THAT is funny!!
 Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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Oh dear, where do you get this stuff from Mac? First, the 500NE is not "basically" the parent cartridge to the 450 No2. The 500NE is shorter, has a much thinner rim, and a different base diameter to the 450 No2. Second, the 475 No2 is not the same case as the 450 No2. The 475 No2 has a larger base diameter than the 450 No2. Rim thickness is also actually the same for both cases. Third, The 450 No2 and the 475 No2 are NOT lower in pressure than "all the 470 class cartridges". CIP Max Average Pressure for the 475 No2 and the 450 No2 are higher than for the 470 NE. | |||
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Well we’re off to see the wonderful WIZARD OF OZ who has yet again taken me down the yellow brick road to the wood shed! I simply don’t know how I or in fact this website got along without your input for so many years! I, for one, am glad you are here so now I don’t have to write at all, just e-mail you the subject, and let you do it, and ride your own back for a while! One question, that I’m sure someone like you could answer. What is the going price for a Wizard today? I ask because I would like to buy one for what he’s worth, and sell him for what it thinks he’s worth. That would net a fine profit I would think! Please put me on your ignore list so I can let my ass take a rest from you nose stuck in it up to your eyeballs! GO-DAY MATE! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Boha, In regard to the numbers in my posts on the 450No2 NE, and the 475No2 NE 5seventy is technically right! The case is not strictly a 500 base case, as I and he said there are several areas where they differ, mostly in length ,however all we were dealing with here is the length for fitting into a press, a fact 5seventy chose to ignore so he coulf kick me a little. He is also correct it isn’t that much different in pressure from the other 470 class cartridges. It is however lower than most of the later 450 cartridges, because of the same caliber, and speed but with more volume in the case for the powder charge to get the same speed. He knows they are close but he is a nitpicker who simply likes to piss on me for some reason that I’ve been unable to understand. You can count on any time you see a post writen by me, there will be a post from 5seventy in short order!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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We should get you guys a nice padded wrestling ring, cover y'all in Jell-O and watch you splash around a bit! I'm sure there will be some sort of entertainment factor there... One thing for sure, it looks like Boha will have fun running his nice looking rifle! Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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True enough I suppose.  But despite what Mac says I'm not looking for a fight. All I am looking for is some degree of accuracy regarding posts relating to DR's. Nothing more and nothing less.  | |||
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