Howdy All.

I'm taking a Krieghoff Big 5 in .470 NE to Zim this summer for buffalo and tuskless ele.

Okay, I know it is blasphemy to scope it but given my vision it is either that or use my Dakota .416 Rigby and I just plain want to use a double rifle. I have taken a Cape buffalo with a double .470 before, by the way. I could mount my Leupold 1.5-6x20 on it but I want something smaller.

So, given that it is either a scope or some other optical sight or no double rifle, what are your thoughts of:

(1) the new Leupold 1 x 14 Prismatic scope
(2) the EOTech 512 sight
(3) the Zeiss Z-Point
(4) the Trijicon Tri Power
(5) any others

Thanks.

How about something like

That is what I'm talkin' about...is that the Burris?

Aren't you suppose to put them on "Safe?"

I saw the little Leupold at SCI and SHOT. Looks like it could be a slick setup with one ring. I'm going to try it as soon as my 450-400 is done

Dang, if I had eyes like Bill I would not need a scope.

I ordered the Leupold Prismatic last June when it was announced and I saw it in Reno at the SCI convention and I like it, although it is expensive at $500. Trouble is the release date has been delayed and it might not be available until late summer, too late for me.

PS,

There sure isn't anything wrong with using a scope if you need one.

My choice would be the leupold.

But just about anything you've mentioned would work just dandy.

Yes, that's the Burris on a Kreighoff.

Does it matter which way the Burris is mounted? Dumb question but I have never seen or used one.

I am curious as to the mounting of the Burris as well. Is there a weaver style base that fits in the rib cut-out and the Burris mounted on that or what? And, where to you find the mounting bases?

Hey there, I don't know about LRH's set up, but I bought a Weaver base that fits into the rib cutout on the Krieghoff. It is 4 inches long and has three cross slots. I can't remember the name of the place I found it, someplace in Texas. I can look it up if anyone wants to know.

I think it was Eurogun Imports that sold the Weaver base; they used to advertise on GunsAmerica.

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Originally posted by PSmith:
I can look it up if anyone wants to know.

I think it was Eurogun Imports that sold the Weaver base; they used to advertise on GunsAmerica.

Yeah, I want to know.

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Originally posted by PSmith:
Hey there, I don't know about LRH's set up, but I bought a Weaver base that fits into the rib cutout on the Krieghoff. It is 4 inches long and has three cross slots. I can't remember the name of the place I found it, someplace in Texas. I can look it up if anyone wants to know.

I think it was Eurogun Imports that sold the Weaver base; they used to advertise on GunsAmerica.

Yeah, I want to know too.

Here is the contact information for Eurogun. The base was $230, which is pretty spendy but a lot less than the alternative which would be a scope mount from Krieghoff.


Charles E. Prince
President
Eurogun Imports, Inc.
11001 S. Wilcrest Dr., Ste. 200
Houston Texas 77099 USA
www.EurogunImports.com

Tele: 281-568-0487
Fax: 281-568-2323
Cell: 281-650-1801

Yikes!

Seems like one could buy a long Weaver base and have it fitted for less than that. But will have to see.

It's not mine; that's Don Heath's rifle, but I think he had a weaver base on it to hold the Burris.

The sight in the picture posted from Les is a Burris fastfire. Would probably choose the Trijicon version over the Burris.- Both can be had with mount for a standard weaver rail.

To mount, I simply took a short length of weaver rail (intended for a TC) and cut to fit the slot in the rib on the Krieghoff.

Have tried the Leupold - great unit - but eye relief was a little too short for me. I have a very mobile shoulder and even mounted on a .375 the Leopold kissed my eyebrow a couple of times.

The Trijicon ACOG is also very good and can survive a single position mount. The reflex and EOTECH units that were sent out for review in the Magazine (Inyathi issue -vol3 of 2007) Needed a much longer mounting rail.

Don,

Why would you choose the Trijicon over the Burris? It seems that the Burris (and the similar Trijicon Doctor) are small and simple, and both 1X power.

Do you have the 4 MOA dot on the Burris? For close work it would seem that a larger dot would be better. But having never used one, I do not know how obvious the 4 MOA dot is compared to others. It seems like it would be too small for minute-of-buffalo work.

I favour the Swarovski 1,25-4x24 "battue" scopes. Here are the 2 I own :

With circle dot reticle, in claw mounts on my FN-Browning 9,3x74R


With illuminated reticle 4 on my Blaser 9,3x62

For running game (drive hunting) and from 5 to 75 m, I always use the scope set on 2 power.

Hello PSmith,

I have a Krieghoff in 470, I made a custom weaver rail that uses the rear factory mount.
I have mounted the Docter 4 MOA red dot and took a Hog down in FL with it. I also have the Trijicon 1.25X4 scope (very light and strong).
I am still sighting the scope in, but so far have no issues. As to the question of putting a scope on a double, Our ethical duty is to make the best shot possible and bring the quarry down fast and clean, any tool that facilitates this outcome should not be frowned upon ! Just my 2c.
Regards

As long as we are at it, I want to jump back to the idea of using an unscoped double for buffalo. I would think this perfectly fine as long as you are close enough to shoot it acccurately.

The thing I would worry about is trying to shoot a buff in the last hour of the last day, and taking a chancy shot. Or that 44" buff is standing 75 or 100 yards away and no chance of getting closer. Are you going to take a chance anyway, even if you are not comfortable with that distance? I have made a couple questionable shots on buff with an unscoped double just for the sake of using a double rifle. I'm quite sure that they were not very wise choices.

If you want to shoot anything with your double, use it up close on the elephant. It would be my recommendation to use your scoped bolt-action on buff. The secret to shooting buff is that first, accurate shot.

Bill, I agree with you 100 %. I am taking the Dakota .416 Rigby with a Leupold 1.5-6x20 illuminated scope as well in case I have a shot just as you describe...a big buffalo at over 50 yards. The only guy that won't like the plan is the tracker who will have to carry the Dakota while I carry the Krieghoff, but I'll take care of him at "tip time".

I sure the heck don't want to see the buffalo of my dreams standing just out of double rifle range and not have a backup so that I can reach out and touch him.

Hi Will

The Trijicon RedDot sight is very similar to the Burris - same size and mounting system. After the tests carried out for the African Hunter Magazine I bought a Burris for my own use. After a dozen rounds it ceased to hold it's zero. I then purloined the one sent out for the magazine tests. This one lasted the rest of the season, but has now started to have a wondering Zero. The trijicon is still working fine.

Have one of the original firepoints (made in the UK) that was the precessor of the Doctor. It still lives on my 9,3 a decade later.

Dot size. Have found the 4 MOA perfect for my own use- but I have very good eyesight- and often use the 9,3 for shooting impala at ranges out to 150m so a small dot is very useful. For use on just big game? I don't need a bigger dot and prefer the "apparent" increase in accuracy of shot placement offered by the smaller dot.

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Originally posted by Don Heath:
For use on just big game? I don't need a bigger dot and prefer the "apparent" increase in accuracy of shot placement offered by the smaller dot.

Every once in awhile you sneek in a nugget of wisdom. That statement is another to add to the list. Thanks.

Hi,
Why not try the new AIMPOINT® MICRO H-1 red dot scope?