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LET'S DISCUSS 375 FL....
16 October 2019, 01:50
jorgeLET'S DISCUSS 375 FL....
I've always wanted one and now that both Norma and Nosler(i'm thinking one in the same for brass anyway,plus rumors of Hornady) load for it, I might just ahem, pull the trigger on one.
As always, I load for everything and gun makers are limited to what they can get in factory fodder to regulate, but what do you guys have and maybe those of you that hand load, share your recommendations , i.e. 270gr or 300, etc.
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DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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16 October 2019, 02:23
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by jorge:
I've always wanted one and now that both Norma and Nosler(i'm thinking one in the same for brass anyway,plus rumors of Hornady) load for it, I might just ahem, pull the trigger on one.
As always, I load for everything and gun makers are limited to what they can get in factory fodder to regulate, but what do you guys have and maybe those of you that hand load, share your recommendations , i.e. 270gr or 300, etc.
Jorge, like you that is one chambering I have never owned in a double rifle, and one I have always wanted. Most of the time in Africa, and Canada my second rifle has always been CRF bolt rifle chambered for 375 H&H belted magnum. With that I have never found it lacking on even buffalo or big bears.
Like you I have been thinking about getting a double chambered for 375H&H flanged. Let us know when, and what make you get!
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16 October 2019, 04:18
jorgequote:
Let us know when, and what make you get
Might be as soon as the DSC convention this year and it will be another Verney..
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DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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16 October 2019, 04:30
DoubleDonSmart choice
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16 October 2019, 06:12
Todd WilliamsGood choice Jorge.
If I ever get the fire back, I might trade my 9.3X74R for one.
The 9.3X74R and 375FL are pretty similar in performance but there is something about the 375 that is appealing.
That said, I've done several Double Double Rifle safaris now using the 500NE or 577NE for my heavy DR paired with a scoped 9.3X74R DR for lighter duty. I've taken the little ones (grysbuck, etc) using the CEB solids with no ruined meat / capes, all the way up to kudu and male lion with the CEB Safari Raptors. A 375FL would be even better.
16 October 2019, 22:17
CCMDocMine worked great on spotted cat in my dad’s hands in Namibia a few years ago.
There’s one or two photos of it in here:
Namibia 2011 Light, handy and a pleasure.
Definitely go for it!
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17 October 2019, 00:53
Colin MastersI like the Royal in the intro to Cal’s book wrapped in camp tape!
17 October 2019, 02:14
TransvaalI have a new .375 H&H Flanged Magnum finish chamber reamer if anyone wants to build a DR in that caliber. I never got around to building one.
17 October 2019, 13:30
ozhunterI have a lovely Westley Richards 375F with spare barrels in 7x57R that was refurbished in Furlach. Both sets of barrels have matching new Schmidt&Bender 4x36 steel tubed scopes.
I need to move them on
17 October 2019, 15:00
RockdocI really like the 375Flanged Mag.
Mine likes the Norma brass and loads just over 2400fps with 300gn Woodleighs.
I have recently bought a Swarovski 1-6x EE to use instead of the Zeiss on it.
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17 October 2019, 17:00
jorgeThere's one on Guns International for sale...
VC 375 H&H FL
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DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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17 October 2019, 18:43
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
There's one on Guns International for sale...
VC 375 H&H FL
Round body with VC's version of a splinter fore end. Perfect!!!
17 October 2019, 19:23
The Norwegianquote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by jorge:
There's one on Guns International for sale...
VC 375 H&H FL
Round body with VC's version of a splinter fore end. Perfect!!!
Mr Todd,
In 4 years time I will show you a proper English splinter ... buildt in England ...
Morten
The more I know, the less I wonder !
17 October 2019, 20:53
jorgequote:
Round body with VC's version of a splinter fore end. Perfect!!!
Good buy? I can probably talk them down a bit...
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DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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17 October 2019, 21:10
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by The Norwegian:
quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by jorge:
There's one on Guns International for sale...
VC 375 H&H FL
Round body with VC's version of a splinter fore end. Perfect!!!
Mr Todd,
In 4 years time I will show you a proper English splinter ... buildt in England ...
Morten
Morten, I'm glad to see you have developed some taste and turned away from those hideous beavertail fore-ends!!
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17 October 2019, 21:11
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
quote:
Round body with VC's version of a splinter fore end. Perfect!!!
Good buy? I can probably talk them down a bit...
Right Jorge. With the DR market being super soft right now, I'd think you could get them down on the price some. Looks like a very nice rifle to me.
17 October 2019, 21:37
LR3Jorge. You mentioned brass. The VC case is different and longer so you get more velocity out of it. I nearly bought one a couple of years ago but ended up shooting a Army Navy .375 flanged . Really very nice! Although I took my buffalo on that trip with my VC .577. Also a superb double.
17 October 2019, 21:45
LR3Here s what Ken Buch. Kebco. Told me:
posted 27 August 2018 03:58 Hide Post
There is only one factory load, a 300gr TSX at 2800 FPS. The factory load uses 100gr of Norma MRP powder (note this is the same as RL 22). I have loaded this round using the 300gr CEB solid & Hornady 300gr Spire point boattail. Never tried heavier or lighter bullets. I have shot maybe 15 buffalo, 3 elephants, a pile of hogs, and a couple of bears.
17 October 2019, 21:51
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by LR3:
Jorge. You mentioned brass. The VC case is different and longer so you get more velocity out of it. I nearly bought one a couple of years ago but ended up shooting a Army Navy .375 flanged . Really very nice! Although I took my buffalo on that trip with my VC .577. Also a superb double.
Good point brought up here Jorge. I believe from the link, this is a 375 H&H Flanged and not the VC version of the 375. Might want to confirm that if you're interested in that rifle.
17 October 2019, 22:08
jorgeIt's the standard H&H Flanged guys and Norma uses the 300 gr Woodleighs now... J
Manufacturer: Verney Carron
Model: Fusil Double
Serial Number: A1956
Caliber: .375 Flanged Magnum NE
Chambers: .375 Flanged Magnum NE
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DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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17 October 2019, 22:09
dpcdI shoot a lot of 375 Flanged Mag, and I would definitely double check that load with a 300 grainer going 2800 fps. As designed, it was slower than the Belted Mag, shooting a 300 grainer at about 2400 and that was likely from 28 inch English barrels.
Not questioning KB in any way of course......
17 October 2019, 22:14
jorgequote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
I shoot a lot of 375 Flanged Mag, and I would definitely double check that load with a 300 grainer going 2800 fps. As designed, it was slower than the Belted Mag, shooting a 300 grainer at about 2400 and that was likely from 28 inch English barrels.
Not questioning KB in any way of course......
That's the 375VC cartridge and not the H&H which "lumbers" along @ 2400
USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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NRA Life Member
17 October 2019, 23:55
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
I shoot a lot of 375 Flanged Mag, and I would definitely double check that load with a 300 grainer going 2800 fps. As designed, it was slower than the Belted Mag, shooting a 300 grainer at about 2400 and that was likely from 28 inch English barrels.
Not questioning KB in any way of course......
That's the 375VC cartridge and not the H&H which "lumbers" along @ 2400
Exactly
18 October 2019, 05:56
dpcdOh, oops; I did not know about that one......
19 October 2019, 02:16
Use Enough GunI own a Searcy 375 Flanged Magnum double rifle and it is the SWEETEST! I shoot 300 grain loads in both solids and softs. Love that gun!
My only regret: That I didn't get it much sooner!
19 October 2019, 07:27
AtkinsonI have a close friend that has one and Ive shot it some, and love it, I don't see that its any better or worse than a 450-400 my all time favorite..I had his 375L double on me and it didn't kill me like a 470 did, so I was sold on that..Its just a nice caliber for anything Africa has to offer for the pro or for the beginner...A dandy DG rifle in my books.The 450-400-3" is the only reason I never had a .375F/
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19 October 2019, 10:10
Use Enough GunI have a 450-400 too, along with a 470 NE. The 470 NE has become a safe queen. I love the 450-400 and have killed a number of buffalo and other African game with it. It can't hurt to both love and shoot the 450-400 and the 375 Flanged Magnum!
20 October 2019, 02:07
Tim CarneyHave a .375 flanged, Jorge, that is now out for sale. Had the maker regulate it for the Kynamco 300 grain SN, figuring that it would sell to a wider audience ultimately.
My handloads used Jamison brass, Woodleigh or Swift bullets and IMR4350 for good regulation. Using the rule of 3/4 it also regulates a 235 gr bullet, but somewhat higher.
Regards, Tim
21 October 2019, 16:08
jorgequote:
that is now out for sale
Hi Tim is that your round body on one of the gun websites? beautiful gun, but I'm not a fan of the round bodies...only in chicks!
USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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22 October 2019, 22:01
Tim CarneyNo, Jorge, it's a rising bite and set up for the left hand.
Regards, Tim
23 October 2019, 09:37
Use Enough GunTim: Is that your Searcy 375 Flanged Magnum that is up for sale?
23 October 2019, 21:46
Tim CarneyYes, that's the one.
Regards, Tim
24 October 2019, 09:12
Use Enough GunThat is one beautiful double rifle!
25 October 2019, 00:45
Tim CarneyThanks.
Don't believe the LOP is 15-3/8; normally I use a 14-5/8" LOP with a sxs shotgun and the rifle fits the same way. Should have double-checked the measurement...
Regards, Tim
25 October 2019, 01:48
mdstewartI once owed a cape gun in 12/.375fl. It was great, but I think it had been altered at some time. Love that caliber.
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27 October 2019, 00:26
drongoI have a Chapuis Safari grade .375 H&H Fl Magnum that I might be willing to part with. It is regulated for 300 gn Woodleighs. I have RCBS dies & shell holder, 150 Norma cases, and about 70 rounds of loaded Woodleighs, Swifts, Noslers.
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07 November 2019, 18:33
bwanamrmIf you're in the market for a "proper" .375 H&H Flanged...
http://www.hallowellco.com/hol...20Flanged%20Mag.html
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07 November 2019, 18:53
jorgeIt's beautiful! Hell I'd buy it just to get that can (sorry, tin) of "Rangoon Oil"! man, I love the Brits!
USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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07 November 2019, 21:18
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by bwanamrm:
If you're in the market for a "proper" .375 H&H Flanged...
http://www.hallowellco.com/hol...20Flanged%20Mag.html
PROPER is the correct description of that rifle. WOW!!!
07 November 2019, 22:21
nopride2quote:
http://www.hallowellco.com/hol...20Flanged%20Mag.html
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