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I don't see these prices as an indicator of a collapse, they were just too high to start. The WR is a nice rifle, but has its issues - stock lengthening being one. The Manton is a beauty IMO, but it has always been tough to get a 360No.2 to sell and I don't think I have seen any go close to $20K so I think the new price is right on. I would love to have it! The screw grip 500bpe on his site really gets me going though! | |||
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He doesn't have the screw grip 500 bpe any more, I do. I've loaded up some different loads for it. Now I have to shoot it. Dave | |||
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Huvius, ditto on that Manton....its a real gem..  | |||
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Consider the source. Mike Schwandt is historiclly WAY over priced to begin with. Perhaps after several years he is beginning to figure it out. Just my opinion... Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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That Manton could be a great candidate for re-chambering to 9.3x74, especially with its weight. Ammo would certainly no longer be a problem, and performance would step up some... Might check with some of the experts about impact to collector value, but utility would probably offset that to most owners. And if you're no longer worried about collector value, add a claw mount scope... Good hunting, | |||
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Check out the larger auction house prices. Much lower prices being realized. Prices are settling back to 1980 prices. Certainly the ele ivory import ban has had some affect but I attribute the greater diminution in value to the affordability and access to new manufactured rifles of extremely good quality. | |||
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I am afraid the Millennial's won't see the Nostalgia in old British doubles.  | |||
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Negative. We are talking the 360No.2 which cannot be rechambered to anything really. Unless the barrels are overly thick and then I suppose it could be rebored/rechambered to a 450/400 but I doubt there is a rifle with that much meat in the barrels. You are thinking of the 400/360 which was often rechambered to 9.3X74R. Even today, the No.2 is not very well known and certainly underappreciated. Its 320gr bullet can penetrate like few others and on a frontal chest shot rip a lion a new asshole. | |||
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Please post a report. I contend that the 500bpe can be the perfect North American cartidge for the hand loader. I have just one, an Alex Henry hammer gun, and I plan on shooting my Webley single as one to start with. The Henry is a joy to shoot! | |||
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Me thinks "collapse" is too strong a word. I have seen a decline in prices over the past 2 years or so. Why? Two reasons: 1) when prices were high(er) many put their doubles on the market hoping to cash in. Then, the market became flooded. Many of those rifles remain for sale today. 2) An increase in new doubles that are low priced drove many wanting a double to the new products over the vintage products. I remember one gent telling me when he asked the price of a double I was selling, "Remember I can get a Sabatti for $5000." I told him to buy a Sabatti. The reality is many would prefer a new double rather than a vintage double if the price is about the same. The above said, high end doubles are still holidng their own as the folks who buy them still have the money to play with. Those that must save and sacrifice to get a $5K double will get the best bargain they can find. Just saying… Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal is right on the money, but there is another component to the decrease. A ton of quality double rifles were brought into the US by the English makers that were bought from the vast collections of the India Princes in the late 60's and into the 70's. The collectors who bought them at that time are getting to an age that they are selling their collections off (or their estates are). My friend sold off his vast collection of big bore English double rifles last year that he started collecting in the 60's. The quote on the young people not interested in the antique stuff is also on the money. The same thing will (is) happening to the antique car world. | |||
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True and I apologize I did not include this. I've seen many collections on the market and know of many more that will come up for sale in teh near future. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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The reality is 98% of the gun owning population that is under 40 has no idea what a double rifle is, nor any inclination to learn. The demand for double rifles is steadily declining. Nitro doubles, especially those chambered for calibers that have zero commercial manufacture, will languish in value much the way they did in post 1960? . The .360 variations are the best example. I for one am stoked. The retail prices at places like Schwandt, Steve Barnett, osprey, lewis&Drake, cannot sustain the lack of 98% of gun owners not even remotely interested in those rifles. The kids and estates that deal with private sales will have to follow suit when no one knows what the hell they are selling. I'll throw it out there right now: Pizza and beer for life at my restaurant, plus $6000 for your nitro proved, vintage British double rifle. Hell of a deal compared to that last rock island auction! Caveat Emptor: I have only shot two doubles, I don't own one, and what I know I have piggybacked off the elders of the U.S. Double Rifle world, of which this forum is the center. I have watched the price fluctuations for a long time. Colin | |||
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Definatly a buyers market over the last year or two on double rifles...Same with hunting Africa, world problems and politics plus a African Gov. mindset that who cares we can live on $600 per month as well as $50,000. A swelling of excess game in S. Africa will have to effect prices at some point, it just hasn't dawned on them yet..Guess we'll see what Trump will do with the economy, I believe things have to change to the better, if the democrats in their idealong bubble don't screw things up and the certainly are trying...I look for things to improve, gun values going up and Africa once again for the middle American at least. Guns and hunting go together and African hunting and Peter Capstick made it good for a long time. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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