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Aimpoint On double
23 May 2013, 12:19
londonhunterAimpoint On double
Has anybody actually got one mounted on a double ?
I like to fit this to my trusted Merkel boxlock
I also want to retain the option of using factory iron sights when removed
If you are curious I enjoy hunting hippos on land which invariably means shooting in relatively low ambient
light condition
I know aimpoint make a double mount for merkel
If you have fitted one how much higher does it raise the mount from the iron sight axis ?
I shoot my double like a trap gun and very conscious of cheek pressure
25 May 2013, 02:22
londonhunter
25 May 2013, 02:43
N E 450 No2On a double rifle, I prefer the Doctor Optic, on a QD mount over all others.
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25 May 2013, 07:58
Mike BrooksI've got a Fastfire2 on mine and like it!
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30 May 2013, 04:41
AtkinsonSuch as that and scopes rate right up there with incest on a double gun!!

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30 May 2013, 06:12
lonewulfNah, I'd just shove a 4-12 variable on the thing. Nothing looks better on a classic double than some lumpy optical new-age wonder totally at adds with the underlying concept. But for Christ's sake, whatever you do, don't use the purpose-built iron sights developed specifically for use with the rifle.
30 May 2013, 07:15
cal pappasWasn't there an old saying about tits on a boar?
If the Good Lord wanted such sights on a fine double he would have put them on starting in the 1870s.
Leaf and express sights only!
Cal
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30 May 2013, 07:23
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30 May 2013, 10:22
fairgameWhat about for a follow up in the dark?
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30 May 2013, 11:08
cal pappasFollow up in the dark?
Heavy ivory bead "night" or "moon" sight. If it's too dark to use this, wait until morning.
This thread is akin to putting Rosie O'Donnel's face on Raquel Welsh's body. Uhhhhhhhh. That means it's a two bagger. Put a bag over her head and one over your head in case hers falls off!
Cheers, gents.
Cal
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30 May 2013, 11:29
londonhunterquote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Such as that and scopes rate right up there with incest on a double gun!!
I was waiting for the anti's to come out
What took you so long ......
30 May 2013, 11:37
londonhunterquote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
What about for a follow up in the dark?
Andrew that's exactly what this was for
At least I was hoping
I was with Thor sitting out for the hippos by Munyamadzi with by double
Couldn't seethe front sight at all
I did bring a bottle of luminous face paint that's kids use for party face painting and it worked well
A dab on the front bead And rear leaf did the trick
I have been pondering since my return and came across an adaptor aimpoint made for Merkel and nothing else
I have been practicing shooting in ver very low light with the aimpoint and blue tac and I am confident this is a practical solution
I have ordered the mount and it should be here next week
It has virtually no eye relieve and one will be hooting with both eyes open with no loss of DEPTH
Perfect for CQB n the bush
Ok chance of losing zero
So its either that or no seeing the front sight and snap shooting by instinct
Regards
Looking forward to meeting you n the ground one of these days
30 May 2013, 11:41
N E 450 No2I have an old Westley Richards Catalog from the 1800's that shows several of their double rifles with scopes on them.
I also have some old catalogs from the same time that show flashlight mounts for rifles...
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30 May 2013, 14:04
BwanaColequote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
This thread is akin to putting Rosie O'Donnel's face on Raquel Welsh's body. Uhhhhhhhh. That means it's a two bagger. Put a bag over her head and one over your head in case hers falls off!
Cheers, gents.
Cal
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Poking out mind's eye with a fork right now...

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No one likes change, but change happens. The first "holo" sight I saw on a double was at Champlin Firearms in JJ's shop. This was 15 years ago. I thought it was an abomination. Until I picked it up and saw how quickly you got on target.
Today I have a Fastfire 3 on my vintage British double rifle. My eyes like it a lot. The image changes intensity according to the background it is against.
No one likes change, until they see how good it is for themselves!
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quote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
No one likes change, until they see how good it is for themselves!
I am guilty of that line of thinking. I always felt that red dots on doubles was a bit of an abomination as Cal says. But I tried a Trijicon and a Docter Optik and both have really improved my shooting. The shooting improvement notwithstanding, for hunting I think I will pull them off. For me I found that it was just one more thing to worry about, e.g., is the battery still good, have they been knocked out of alignment, are they dirty, etc. In keeping with the KISS principle I will probably go back to using irons only for hunting. But even an old dog can learn new tricks, I did.
Mike
30 May 2013, 17:32
D R Hunterquote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
No one likes change, but change happens. The first "holo" sight I saw on a double was at Champlin Firearms in JJ's shop. This was 15 years ago. I thought it was an abomination. Until I picked it up and saw how quickly you got on target.
Today I have a Fastfire 3 on my vintage British double rifle. My eyes like it a lot. The image changes intensity according to the background it is against.
No one likes change, until they see how good it is for themselves!
We all must face the facts; our eyes don't always
serve us as well as they once had... Dang it.

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30 May 2013, 21:24
Mike Brooksquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
This thread is akin to putting Rosie O'Donnel's face on Raquel Welsh's body. Uhhhhhhhh. That means it's a two bagger. Put a bag over her head and one over your head in case hers falls off!
Cheers, gents.
Cal
(one opinionated Alaskan)
Pay no attention to this person..
He thinks that adding milk and sugar to breakfast cereal is an abomination against nature Ewell Gibbons had it right with tree bark and nuts as a staple diet.
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30 May 2013, 23:24
AtkinsonNot me Rusty I'm sot in my ways, my way or the highway with doubles and guns and horses and wimmen and oh well you get the idea..
I have been blessed with nostalgia, old age,good eyes and reflexes and the ability to disregard all things new and modern otherwise it was all for naught. Love dem iron sights, carry a flashlight and love the smell of death in the tall grass!

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31 May 2013, 10:17
cal pappasquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rusty:
No one likes change, until they see how good it is for themselves!
I am guilty of that line of thinking. I always felt that red dots on doubles was a bit of an abomination as Cal says. But I tried a Trijicon and a Docter Optik and both have really improved my shooting.
I'd rather remain the crappy shot that I am. Just my opinion, mate.
Cal
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31 May 2013, 10:19
cal pappasquote:
Originally posted by Mike Brooks:
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
This thread is akin to putting Rosie O'Donnel's face on Raquel Welsh's body. Uhhhhhhhh. That means it's a two bagger. Put a bag over her head and one over your head in case hers falls off!
Cheers, gents.
Cal
(one opinionated Alaskan)
Pay no attention to this person..
He thinks that adding milk and sugar to breakfast cereal is an abomination against nature Ewell Gibbons had it right with tree bark and nuts as a staple diet.
Attention readers. Mike Brooks and Shootaway are one in the same. I have photographic evidence. (Well, maybe they are identical twins).
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For me, the choice is simple.
Leave my double as is and let it stand in the gun safe, or use the FastFire and do what I really like to do, shoot my double! Most of my rifles wear a scope or holographic sight. Just a fact of life. My old eyes need help and I like to shoot.
You need to do what you feel is best. I did!
Rusty
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31 May 2013, 16:42
Venture Southquote:
I'd rather remain the crappy shot that I am. Just my opinion, mate.
Cal, thats just as well as I would have to shoot you if you were to put anything of that nature on a vintage double.
Besides which, crappy shooting means nothing at 20m. See you soon.
Ian
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31 May 2013, 19:21
Mike BrooksOuch! That was a very low blow! Somewhere around my bunion!
Cal needs the biggest bullets possible. If he gets it somewhere in the ballpark with a 4 bore or the 600 something is going to fall down. Sometimes it's him sometimes a critter.

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31 May 2013, 23:22
Venture Southquote:
Sometimes it's him sometimes a critter. shocker wave

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02 June 2013, 00:00
cal pappasMike and Ian:
My 4-bore shoots a one inch one shot group at any distance. Amazing accuracy!
Ian, my rifles will remain as they were made. However, should I disappear on my hunt with you, and they you begin hunting with a .600, Mike will come after you as he is the beneficiary in my will. See you in about 9 days. Two buff on ticket so I'll bring two cartridges.
Cheers, mates.
Cal
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02 June 2013, 01:08
MJinesquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Two buff on ticket so I'll bring two cartridges.
Hope the airlines do not check your luggage. Two cartridges will put you well over the 5 kilo ammunition limit.
Mike
02 June 2013, 05:20
Mike BrooksIf his new knee goes out on him, he can use those two rounds to make a dandy splint!
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02 June 2013, 06:49
Bill CooleyI don't know about dandey but realey classey.
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02 June 2013, 12:31
Venture Southquote:
Mike will come after you as he is the beneficiary in my will. See you in about 9 days. Two buff on ticket so I'll bring two cartridges.
Looking forward to it Cal.
Should I arrange porters to lug those two cartridges around then?
I think I am looking forward to holding that rifle as much as the hunt.
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02 June 2013, 16:52
Mike BrooksHave them tote along a stretcher for him and another few to pack that cannon with ammo.
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02 June 2013, 17:06
cal pappasYou guys would not pick on me so if you knew how sensitive I truly am.
Cal
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2005 South Africa
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2008 Zimbabwe
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2013 Zimbabwe
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2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
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2019 South Africa
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2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
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quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
You guys would not pick on me so if you knew how sensitive I truly am.
Cal

Rusty
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"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
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03 June 2013, 01:47
cal pappasI will work on this with my therapist.
New illness will be diagnosed: AR abuse.
Cal
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2019 South Africa
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2021 South Africa
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03 June 2013, 03:16
MJinesIf you identify a good therapist for that syndrome, you might drop Boddington a note with the name.

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03 June 2013, 06:17
cal pappasCraig AND Mark.
Cal
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2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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03 June 2013, 09:30
Mike BrooksSounds like you will be able to get a group rate.
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