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I'm thinking about 450 NE or 470 NE. I want a rifle manufacturer that will custom fit the stock and balance to me. I know Verney Carron fits the bill. What about Heym or Searcy? Anyone else? Not going to pay London prices. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | ||
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Heym stocks to you regardless of whether it is the 88B or 89. Merkel does not and Kraigoff does not. Kraigoff does have an ex-spensive back action side lock made for them that is stocked up you. Seary PH and up stocked to you. | |||
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You would be best served to come up to Dallas for the DSC show in January, handle as many doubles as you can and decide what works best for you. | |||
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Very sound advice! Take your time and learn before you buy...there are many choices and after you handle may types it will be clear to you what will best fit your needs.
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In the last 10-12 years or so I had 3 different brands of rifles built. Searcy, Heym, and VC. Searcy and Heym fit me like a glove. Butch asked for a lot of measurements and nailed it. When I ordered the Heym made a trip to SCI and had Chris measure me in person. Perfect fit. Go to DSC or SCI and check all the major brands out. Decide what you like and want and have it put in writing they will redo the stock at their expense if the rifle doesn't fit you well. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Ken and Jerome will do the same at the Verney Carron booth. | |||
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Thanks! "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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Have had Sabatti, VC, Merkel, and Heym doubles. I am now down to Heyms in large calibers. My latest is a Heym 89B in 450 Nitro Express. Chris measured me for the rifle and it fits perfectly. As a handloader I selected the 450 over the 470 due to wider bullet choices in the US. If you do not handload there is more factory ammunition available for the 470. If possible I would suggest you try to fire a few of your potential choices. The reason I say that is my Merkel and Heym 88B in 470 Nitro Express both barked my second finger. Not too bad on the Merkel but painful on the Heym 88B. Easily corrected with a NECG finger pad but the pad is not required on the new Heym 69B as it has a more open grip. Good luck with your quest. | |||
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I was thinking of a 450 NE due to bullet selection and the fact I reload. What is the weight of your 450? "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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i own a Heym 450, guessing about 10.5, would need to weigh it, 88B Standard (medium) frame general advice- If planning to resell a rifle in a couple to a few years after a trip ; when ordering new- buy the 470 over the 450 as to reloading, i have 4 different weight loads that group in 4inches at 50 yds,(both barrels,8rds,4 loads) could probably clean that up with more effort,(480 soft,480 solid, 405JSP,350 half jacket) (6 inches, if i add in the 275HCGC load) however,with other lighter doubles to shoot i quit developing the lighter loads for more accuracy | |||
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Good point on the 470 NE resell! "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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On the Heyms you can order with two different frame weights in 450/470. For simplicity I will call them light and heavy. Choice of frame size is a matter of choice and comes down to do you want more weight to reduce recoil or less weight to carry. Also, over the years, and depending on what was ordered; they have different barrel lengths. The 89B barrel contour is heavier to the rear than the 88B which moves the overall balance point to the rear and more between the hands. I weighed my Heyms on a old baby scale and believe the weights may be about a pound light. However, here are the results: Heym 89B Heavy Frame 450NE 26" barrels 9.1# Heym 88B Light Frame 450NE 25" barrels 8.4# Heym 88B Light Frame 470NE 24" barrels 8.3# Hope this helps and if you are ever in the Dallas area let me know and we could go shoot them. | |||
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Thank you! I'd like to get up there at some point for a shoot. My 404J and 458WM are both 11 lbs w/Scopes, so sounds like going with the heavier frame would be an issue. Something in the 10 lb -11 lb range would be perfect. Maybe even heavier depending on the balance. I'd go with the 26" barrels and with my LOP, a pretty big stock. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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I never had a problem selling a .450 NE. So many bullet choices for reloading and I can use those same projectiles in my .450 Rigby bolt rifle. | |||
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My Evans 470 weighs 10.75 lbs and I wouldn’t want it any heavier. | |||
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Searcy will be a great fit and the most accurate. RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | |||
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Perhaps you should ask some of these guys: https://www.heymusa.com/professional-hunters/ DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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My .500 NE is the same...wouldn’t want anything heavier. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Why ask on a blog? you will get a barrage of opinnions..ONLY YOU can make the right decision on rifle fit..Try before you buy is my suggestion, otherwise buy a bulky stock and a cabinet file and some stock finish if your talented, or find a reasonable stock maker close to home and have him fit it to you.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Some good advise here. I would shoot as many doubles as I can from friends etc. I would make sure I really enjoy the caliber. The 470 NE is at the very max end of my capabilities. I wish I could have bought a 450/400. I would keep the weight at 10.5 lbs max. VC round action and the Heym 89B look good. good luck. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I have a 450 NE Verney Carron. Yes - it gives you a recoil compared to a 375 or such, but quite possible to handle. I have shot 470 NE on some occations. For me that caliber schmack my shoulder in a more speedy way than the 450. I do not like it. Could of course have something to do with shape of stock as these 470 rifles are not buildt for me, but the 450 is. I have also tried the 500 NE on a couple of times too. More heavy recoil, but does not schmack me like the 470. I fell down on a 450 as a little bit more adjusted to smaller game... the 500 I would say is a elephant Caliber and for the PH. The 470 in the middle,, but I do not think I would stand many shots on the shooting range. Maybe a small recoil reducer ( 240 gram ) in the backstock would do good… have discussed that with the Rigby team in London once … When hunting I guess you do not notice except for the different seconds it takes to bring the barrels back in sight after 1st shot… Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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Morten, you need to get to the gym more often :-) | |||
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 Jon, do not tease an old man … I do not need muscles for absorbing the recoil.. I need more height to be able to swing back better standing on my feet... Any suggestions ??? Morten alias Shorty Morty The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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Buy some platform shoes? Ask Elton John :-) | |||
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Your DGR should weigh in the area of 10.5 to 11.5 pounds. 26in barrels and all will be balanced and fitted for you. If you want a boomer, 45caliber and up you must have the weight to help with recoil. To light you will take a beating. I shoot a 450#2 and I weighs in at 11.5 pounds and many AR guys have shot it also and loved it. Mike | |||
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Then I will look like a jumbo … big ears and big feet... the only difference is that thing between the back legs …  Morty The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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My 450 VC weights 11.023 pounds - rather nice to shoot with .. The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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There's at least 1/2 pound extra in that big ole beaver tail fore-end Morten.  My VC in 500NE weighs 10.25 lbs. When the stock fits correctly, you don't need that extra pound or so of weight to handle recoil. | |||
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There's at least 1/2 pound extra in that big ole beaver tail fore-end Morten. Toddyboy.. Belieber said I needed to go to the gym - thats why it is like heavy and bulky. But unfortunately that bush gym does'nt happen too often…   Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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IMO,most doubles should weigh at least 11 lbs and that includes 450/400NE,450NE and 500NE with no recoil reducers.If not the rifle will not balance well and barrel walls will be too thin.Also if one does not have the strength to carry a 11 lbs rifle they have no business in the bush. | |||
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Says the guy who can't distinguish a bull from a cow!!!  | |||
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My Heym 88B 470 weighs is at 11 lbs. It has one mercury recoil tube in the stock. Has very dense wood. I doubled it once. Do not know how. Perhaps strummed the triggers. Did not know what happened for a few seconds. My son was laughing at me. WTF.... | |||
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Minus the 1 lb break and you got a 10 pound rifle.If you consider a bolt rifle in 458 caliber to weigh about 9 3/4 with no scope and you have a rifle with two barrels weighing the same, those barrels on the double are thin like tooth pics.Best would be a rifle weighing 12lbs with break.The extra weight will also tame the recoil and make the double much more attractive,IMO. | |||
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My Heym 500 88B is built on a larger frame. It weighs 12 pounds. I would not want it any lighter or heavier. More important than raw weight is balance and fit. I had a friend up from Alabama two weeks ago. This was the first, and only, double he has shot. He too opined, unsolicited, that he would not want it lighter. I tried an older Browning based Searcy that weighed 12 pounds that did not have the balance, very weight forward. I almost went with the smaller frame for my double due to that. I listed to Chris Sells and am glad I did. | |||
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My 470NE VC / Demas weighs 10lbs 3 0z and is very well balanced. Yes it does boot me but it fits me well. I once shot a 470NE Chapuis that did not fit me at all and it really hammered me. I had a big lump on my cheek for a month and a head ache after just 4 shots IIRC. If one plans to carry the rifle and hunt a lot with it, I would not go over 10.5 lbs. JMHO. I found the 11lbs+ rifles very hard to mount quickly. One would need a LOT of practice and muscle memory to be able to get such a heavy rifle into action quickly if DG hunting turns nasty. No personal experience but JMHO "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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