Why do I even bother posting on this fucked up sight.

If you're selling, it's 50% of the original purchase price; if you're buying, it's 150% of original purchase price.

George

Basically, what the market will bear.

Depends on when it was made (is this one of the early models that used a third party receiver), the condition of the bores (a few rounds or thousands), how well it was maintained (rust, etc), whether it is still on face, the weight (is it proportionate to caliber), and the engraving.

Look at what he is charging for new doubles, and you can work backwards from there.

One word on engraving - it is not always a plus. If it is great, it will enhance the value. If it is poor or cartoonish, you may never sell the rifle for anything close to what you paid for it. Searcy does not do their own engraving, and there are some out there that in my view require the attention of a good grinder.

The more information you can provide on the rifle (with pictures) the better sense you can get on its value from the folks here.

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Why do I even bother posting on this fucked up sight.

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500N:

Agreed.

The original question before he changed his post was what could he expect to get for a used Searcy double rifle. No details other than it was a used Searcy.

Guess he took his ball and bat and went home....

Jim

That's what I thought (remembered) the orignal question to be and then I saw that "post".

Hell, how can we expect to give him a price if we don't have a clue about the details. It's a bit like asking how much is a used Mercedes or BMW worth !!!

If he has "taken his ball and bat and went home...." then he probably doesn't have a thick enough skin to post on AR !!!

Well, since he has changed his original question, we might as well help him along in providing responses to his new question.....

My bright idea for the RUDE starter of this thread is he

should just go away and not bother to return. He certainly

has not added to the intelligence quotient here.

Tradewinds, there are some people here who can help you. Perhaps with PM's. As was mentioned above a lot depends on the gun in question. If it was an early one built on a converted shotgun action, that is one thing. If it is a newer gun, a lot depends on the wood, engraving and the caliber. Some calibers like a 470 are popular and can probably find a buyer relatively quickly. Bear in mind this is a small market even in the best of times. Not too many people have that kind of money to spend on a firearm of limited utility outside a very specialized and small area. I know I haven't answered your question, but then it is hard to answer. If you price it well below market there are several people on this board with the ready cash for a "good deal".
Having said that, I deplore your choice of language. What's wrong with: "OK guys now that the wisecracks are over, why not answer my question?" BTW I think it is a "site" not a "sight"! Also, you can check asking prices on the classifieds. Unfortunately you will NOT find actual selling prices!
Peter.

Depends on if it based on a Browning shotgun action or an Anson & Deely action made by Mr. Searcy himself, with the latter being much more desirable and valuable.

If it is an A&D in excellent shape, it will sell for very close to the price of a new one because the buyer can avoid a 16-18 month wait for his rifle and it is backed by the manufacturer's warranty.

If it is a Browning action, them perhaps 5K.

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Why do I even bother posting on this fucked up sight.

I think this is, unfortunetly, the way most folks today talk in public,and when asking an incomplete question, like the one he origenally asked, get angry if everyone doesn't answer an unanswerable question, then act like a ten year old, and stomp out the door, slamming it behind them! I say, good ridence, and he simply saved us future frustration, in the process, by leaving in a huff...... BYE, BYE!

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Originally posted by tradewinds:
Why do I even bother posting on this fucked up sight.

It is site by the way, not sight. Perhaps you were referring to a rifle sight, not the website?

Dang.

Sounds like a good hissy-fit and I showed up late

It did not take him long to go into a tantrum. Within 30 minutes of his original post, he had 3 responses. Sometime after my first post here, rather than adding a comment he changed his original post so that no one reading this would have the slightest idea of what he was talking about. Rather than provide some details on the rifle in question, I suppose it was easier just to trash everyone here and AR in general.

Best for everyone concerned if he finds a nice sandbox to play in alone....

500

I don't think you'll find any searcy - even on the browning action - going as cheap as $5,000. unless in 45-70 or such like

if you do, pls let me know asap, ok.

the browning actions are as strong as his own make.... or he would't have built on them in the first place.

remember - he started on red labels.

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500

I don't think you'll find any searcy - even on the browning action - going as cheap as $5,000. unless in 45-70 or such like

if you do, pls let me know asap, ok.

the browning actions are as strong as his own make.... or he would't have built on them in the first place.

remember - he started on red labels.

Butch did very few Red Lables, and told me personally he hates O/Us, and did them on requests of friends. Most of his double rifles before getting his CNC, were on the Browning BSS action, that was re-heat treated, and had a third fastener added. Those rifle besides being UGLY, were good rifles, and most if not all were chambered for 470NE. There is one in use in Africa today, that was bought by a man in California for ammo testing, that had over 4000 rounds through it, before it was sold to a PH who still uses it, and when last seen by the first owner, was still on face, and shooting well!

I agree, however, I don't think you will find one in decent shape for the $5K price quoted by someone above, at least not if I hear about it first. I built two rifle on the BSS action myself, and they weren't re-heat treated, and no third fastener was added. The first one was a 41 Magnum with 18" barrels to carry behind my Bear/lion dogs, and the other was a 303 Brit, that was a muledeer murderer. Both used full hot loads, and were still on face when I sold them, after many, many hot rounds down the barrels! Those two doubles were the only two S/S doubles I ever owned with single slective triggers! I believe you will find the guy building all the Red Lable double rifles was DIETRICH APEL(SPL) of Jenkintown, and YALE of Yellow Jacket, Colorado.

Tradewinds to IGNORE!

macd37
actually it was dietrich apel ( nephew of paul jaeger) who built the red label double rifles that are marked with the paul jaeger jenkintown,pa name..
he had worked with bill ruger on the early
development of the red label prior to going to work for his uncle. because of his contact with bill ruger he was the only person ruger would sell spare monoblocks to. all his double rifle had a spare set of 20 ga bbls.

he told me he built approx 15 rifles - both in 45-70 which were easy to regulate and 375 h&h which were a lot of trouble to regulate.

Name change made, and noted!

Butch also made one in a wildcat round for one of the gun rag writers, but i can't remember which one. It was a 9.3X745R case necked up to .375, and that was the one that we were talking about when Butch told me he hated O/U double rifles, and would never build another one! Most of the doubles built on Red labels were built, and are still being built by David Yale, of Yellow Jacket, CO. Most of his are 450NE 3 1/4" but regulated with 500 gr bullets, rather than the treditional 480 gr bullet!

Maybe Tradewinds could post this question on the 24 Hour Campfire site....may get more appropriate answers for his brilliant question

MacD37,

the one you are thinking of is actually a 38-90WCF. Dave Manson built the original reamers for CH4D, and made me one last summer. A quick phone call to Dave at CH4D will give you the information you seek. He took the 9,3 brass and dremel tooled the "3" into a "5" and calls it the 9.5x74R...which got him and his double to Africa several times without customs hassles. IIRC, he told me his regulation load was a 270gr Speer at 2450fps.
I am building one now on one of my spare Shiloh Sharps for all things black powder. With Swiss FFg 84grains behind a 375gr bullet it gives me over 1700fps. CH4D has dies in stock. I got lucky and procured 700 new Norma cases for $70 per hundred. It would be an awesome DR conversion on a 20ga frame.
Can you give me a website address or phone number for Mr Yale?

thanks,

Rich
DRSS

Sounds like a neat toy, but that isn't the one I was talking about. It was a 9.3X74R necked up to .375, and the shoulder blown out a little. I wish I could remember who he made it for, but it was one of well known Gun Rag writers! At that time .366 bullets, and barrels, were as scarce as hen's teeth, and .375s are always available.

I don't have Mr Yales number, but I doubt there are more than one Dave Yale in Yellowjacket, CO. If you can get in touch with Ray Atkinson he has his number! Send Ray a PM!

macd 37 and rich

i think you and idaho sharpshooter are talking about the same thing - a 375 (9.5) bullet in a blown out 9,3 x74r case.

as i recall dave telling me ages ago- he and lyle deakins ( a pa double rifle builder ) collaborated on this idea due to availability of bullets and brass.

dave further told me the double rifle he has taken to africa was built by lyle. dave had seen it while it was a work in progress.

then a while later, it showed up at a gunshow at a price much lower than it sold for new.

dave snapped it up and still has it.

hope this helps to clarify things, tom