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Anyone with recoil experience between the 450/400 and the 450NE? Is the 450NE recoil noticeably heavier? What is a good weight rifle for the 450NE? Any advice appreciated. Thanks | ||
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I have a 450/400 3 1/4" and a 450 No2. The recoil of the 450, will be more than the 450/400. This will be most noticeable when shooting at the range. The 450/400 is a great choice for cape buff and the occassional elephant. If I was going to shoot a bunch of elephants I would recommend the 450. As to weight my 400 weighs 10lbs 2 oz, my 450 No2 weights over 11 lbs. If I remember correctly it is 11 3/4 lbs including the ammo on the butt stock. It has 28" barresl and is perfectly balanced. It fits me better than any gun I have ever shot. You should try to shoot both before you buy. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I've shot my Searcy 450/.400 3" quite a bit, & it's recoil is very manageable - not that bad at all. That being said, I've only shot a 450NE SXS once (Retreever's Italian SXS), & to me, his rifle recoiled considerably more than my 450/.400 - JMHO. ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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I would agree with Franks statement. I have shot Retrievers double, it is a FAMAS in 450 No2. If you are recoil sensitive, and or over 50, then get the 450/400. I have shot elephants and cape buff, as well as a bunch other game with both. If you put the bullet in the right place you will not be able to tell the difference. What is the biggest bolt rifle you have shot??? DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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PONDORO said that a properly fitted to the shooter 500 NE should be made at 10.5 pounds. Many are a full pound+ heavier. PROPER FIT is very important to the recoil experience, link that to PROPER SHOOTING FORM/TECHNIQUE by the shooter. I feel that a man who wants to do so, can teach himself to shoot a decently fitting 450/400 [either brass length] all darn day no problem and do so several times per week. The .45 calibers kick more, plain and simple. A 450/400 at or just under 10 pounds, PROPERLY FITTED, is a dream rifle that a man can kill any game with over and over again. PONDORO would likely say a .45 cal rifle made right should be 10 pounds, or an ounce or two more at most. Most of us would say 10.5 pounds for a .45 cal. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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sevenmagltd: Get yourself a Kreighoff .500/.416. At 10.5 pounds, you'll have the best of both worlds!  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I have both a VC 450/400 and a Searcy 450 3.25" NE and can say that there isn't a BIG difference, because the rifles are "scaled" to their respective caliber....i.e. the 450/400 is at 10.5# and the 450 is at 11.5#. There IS a difference, but not a large one....I'd say if you can handle one you can handle the other. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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I have a Searcy 500 NE, and a 375 Flanged. The 500 NE recoil is stout but manageable. The worst part is the beating your fingers take from the recoil. The rear of the trigger guard whacks your middle finger of your right hand pretty violently, and makes for pain lasting several days. The last time I shot it over the Thanksgiving holidays, I used the right handed glove of a Uncle Mike's glove plus a strip of moleskin wrapped around my middle finger. This helped immensly and did not have any finger pain from the recoil. Also tried some 560 Gr hard (44 Gr 5744) light loads cast lead bullets that Robgunbuilder had loaded and they shot to same poi as the full loads. Planning on getting the same mold and using for practice and light load for pigs. | |||
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I've shot a 450 3 1/4 that was built for a right handed shooter with factory Hornady's. Shooting off hand even with the poor stock fit I did not find the recoil to be excessive. Guess the best way to compare it to is a medium load for a 458 Winchester. It didnt have that sharp "pop" like my 9,3 Chapuis. Rather a big, push me back, boom. Certainly it was more pleasureable to shoot than either my 458 Lott or a lightweight 375 H&H I used to own. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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470dr, I'd talk to JJ about this, it sounds like the stock doesn't fit or you aren't holding the gun correctly. My buddy had the same problem with a Chapuis 470 and got one of these to help eliminate the problem: http://www.csmcspecials.com/Tr...Corners_p/corner.htm It doesn't look great but it works. | |||
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Yes, the 450 recoil is heavier even in a gun weighing a pound more. The 450/400 is an easy gun to shoot, even from the bench. If you can shoot them both before you decide which one to get. | |||
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Agree with 470Evans. I have a Rigby Boxlock 450NE and a couple of 450/400's of different weights. The 450 is definately more in recoil. | |||
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http://www.csmcspecials.com/Tr...Corners_p/corner.htm This little gadgit will solve your recoil finger problem. sevenmagltd I've owned both the 450/400Ne 3", and the 450NE 3 1/4" and the 450NE has more reciol then the 450-400 but only off the bench more than anyplace. My 400 weighed in at 10.3 pounds, and the 450NE was 10 pounds flat. Neither were obtrucive, even off the bench both are easy to work with,but both are better from field positions. As others have already said, if you intend shooting more than an elephant or two, then my choice would be the 450NE, but for cape buffalo, and all North American and Australian buffalo my choice would be the 450/400NE 3". Of course the .458 bullet dia is a good reason for the 450NE, quite a bullet selection! Either one will serve you well. ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Wow! That's impressive! You must be one tough SOB to carry that around hunting!  Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Thanks for all the response. Been away for a couple of days deer hunting near Del Rio. The biggest bolt rifle I have shot is a 470 Capstick as well as the 470 NE double rifle. I do not like either one. I would rather have the 450NE but think the 450/400 would do the job. Many thanks | |||
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Correct. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Thanks for the tip regarding the trigger guard pad, the stock fits fine and the device you guys mentioned should help. | |||
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Yes, you have to be tough to live in this part of Texas. I go up to Alaska to relax! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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