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20 September 2009, 00:49
jimatcat
Damascus hornet double...in progress
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20 September 2009, 22:07
Bill Cooley
You are making great progress.
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23 September 2009, 05:24
Bailey Bradshaw
Moving along nicely.

One lesson learned is to get everything that has an affect on the rifle being smoked on face fitted so I only have to do that one time. So the ejectors, striker bushings and of course the side clips are next. I locate and spot drill where the center of the bores will be. The firing pins are at a slight angle down and to the center of the action by about 5 degrees. Using a compound vise, I am able to drill the holes for the bushings, and counter bore the hole for the bushing. The bushing runs all the way through the action face, and the body is threaded. Here is a picture of the holes, and next with the bishings in place.





After the bushings are seated, I machine off the excess material down to the face. Remember I left the face with about .005 extra material.

I fitted the ejectors when I made the shoe lump, but since the barrels were not in place, fitting them requires machining the cavity where they ejectors will be. I would love to have a horizontal mill for this, but a modified keyway cutter is another way to get it machined. From here, I go in with rifling files and make sure it is flat and the ejectors fit.



The next step is smoking the barrels on face. I didn't have the camera at the shop yesterday when I did this, but I am sure most of you have seen it done. It's slow and tedious work, but I kind of like it. It ends up putting me in a zen-like state of mind and the time goes quickly.

Her is the action with the barrels on face.






With the barrels smoked in, I can begin work on the top lever and sliding bolt. Again, I use a keyway cutter to machine the slot for the bolt. The rifle has double underbites, so the bolt is too long to machine only from the bottom. This is one of those operations where everything must be good and square. Once I machine part of the slot from the bottom of the action, I flip it over and machine the forward portion. It the action isn't square and level in the vise, the slots won't line up and there will be a step where the cuts meet.



Here is a shot of the bottom of the action with hte barrels on. You can see the relationship of the underbites with the action. Nice snug fit in there :-)




Bailey Bradshaw

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24 September 2009, 06:57
Bailey Bradshaw
Worked on the lock slide today, and the top lever is on the mill now. I start with a 3/4"x.140"x3" piece of 52100. Machine the top lever dog hole and the underbite holes. Once those are machined, the part is surface ground to fit the slot in the action. At this point it is heat treated and tempered to 42rc. Here is the part after tempering.



A picture of it in the action



I file fit the lock slide to enguage the underbites. I don't want it too far into the underbites, just enough at this point to lock down the barrels. It has about 6 degrees of angle.



While waiting on the top lever to finish machining, I went to work fitting the trigger group housing. I will finish this up tomorrow, but here it is with the front end inserted. The trigger group will be removeable for cleaning, just one screw at the rear holds it in place.




Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
24 September 2009, 20:19
jeffeosso
amazing


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Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
24 September 2009, 21:24
husky
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
amazing


+1!!! dancing




25 September 2009, 03:35
aliveincc
Mr. Bradshaw, This is my favorite post on AR. Thank you for sharing!
26 September 2009, 02:25
bglenn
Truly amazing.

Glenn B.


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26 September 2009, 11:36
dan_oz
Truly fascinating to watch. Thank you thumb
26 September 2009, 22:14
Fjold
We just need to get Don to "sticky" this to the top of the "Double Rifle Forum" so that it is saved for everyone to see.


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27 September 2009, 00:32
Guillermo Amestoy
Ohhh My god... Im learing a lot with this gunsmith report, like a metalugic school, thanks for sharing Your time and show Your work, very anxious to see the happy end, Im working in a 450 NE double too... but just with the E. Brown Book & Ron Vella Help by mail, Regards from Argentina: Guille.


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27 September 2009, 02:48
Kamo Gari
Fooking incredible. After you've finished this project, what are you going to tackle next, coming up with an AIDS vaccine, or time travel, perhaps? Smiler

Pure magic you possess, working with your hands. Big thanks for sharing with we mere mortals!


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27 September 2009, 07:31
Bailey Bradshaw
That's phunny!! Time travel....

Really, this is not rocket science, just a healthy dose of patience and planning. Study and keep trying....all the stuff your parents told you when you were little Wink

Now back to the build...Here is the top lever after machining. I leave the final shaping to do by hand as there is so much character in the top lever shape.



the top lever with the cam for the lock slide.



The action has an additional pocket for the lever cam, it's being machined here. I always get nervous when machingin in confined spaces. Machines can do freaky thing from time to time.



once the pocket is cut and deburred, the top lever and associated parts can be installed and checked for fit.



Looks like I did OK :-)



The rifle's future owner wanted sling swivels installed. I didn't want the front eye to be too close to the forend, so I made a small rib to create some distance.



and here is the top side



Starting to look like it's little brother ( the stocked rifle is a .22lr, this one will be .22 hornet)




Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



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27 September 2009, 08:22
Rusty
Thanks again, Bailey!


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30 September 2009, 06:12
Josh A.
Mr. Bradshaw, this work you are doing has left the confines of rifle building and has become art. I had no idea there were people in the world that could build a rifle from scratch at this level.

Words fail me in my admiration of you and your skill.

I am stunned, please continue to post pictures for us.

josh
30 September 2009, 22:16
Hog Killer
Bailey, Are you coming down to the big bore shoot Sat? I am sure everyone would love to see your work in progress on you SxSs.

Keith


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01 October 2009, 08:31
Bailey Bradshaw
Time just won't allow it. I have too many deadlines and a trip to Wyoming in a couple of weeks. I hate that I am missing it,....again!!


Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
01 October 2009, 08:31
Bailey Bradshaw
I have the trigger group housing fitted in place and the retaining screw installed.



With that step complete, all of the internal machining has been done. Now I can start the exterior machinging. I use the 4th axis on the mill so I can rotate the action as needed. This is a tense process as a slip up is not repairable at this point. All of the external surfaces are machined leaving .005" over the finished dimension as designed. This allows me to finish the action without worrying about undercutting parts. .005" is actually a lot of material to remove with polishing stones and paper.

Here is the setup....



I figured a short video clip would be better than a picture at this point.




Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
01 October 2009, 08:47
kcstott
Mr. Bradshaw
Do you mind if i asked where did you get the action design? Did you design it or copied from another action?
Even if it is a copy of an action, it is no less a tremendous undertaking to build such a rifle.
I only ask as I have the tools in my shop to build a double I just don't have a design or someone's rifle to take apart and copy.
Not saying that I would try this As I just don't have the time to devote to such a project but it sure looks tempting


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01 October 2009, 09:02
Bailey Bradshaw
It's my own design. Nothing new in regards to mechanics, but it is not a direct copy of any other action.

It has taken a LONG time to get here, and there are definately easier paths to get to a finished rifle. You could certainly but an old sidelock or boxlock and make you own using it as a pattern.


Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
01 October 2009, 21:41
kcstott
Oh believe me, Even if I don't know all the ins and out of exactly what is entailed. I fully understand that that what you are doing could amount to a full time job for at least a year. Yes there are simpler ways to get there.
Finding an old boxlock is not a bad idea
Thank you sir for the post and the info.
Keep at I'm waiting patiently to see the finished product


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02 October 2009, 01:57
Shane Thompson
Bailey,

Really cool stuff! I've thoroughly enjoyed your build in progress post, the work looks top notch. My only complaint is that the video is too short Smiler, more video please Wink.

Shane Thompson
07 October 2009, 06:18
malcolm
That is the coolest, most informative piece of journalism I've ever read. I should have studied metalwork at school--- at least I would then know what those machines are.
Keep up the great work
Malcolm
07 October 2009, 07:53
Bailey Bradshaw
Made a lot of progress, but didn't get pictures of all of it.

Once the action was rough shaped on the mill, I refine the shape with good ole files, stones and sandpaper. Most of this work is at the fences and arouns the trigger guard.



The forend is fitted with the latch assembly, and the barrel set is fitted with the bite. Once it is locked in place, I am able to shape it with the action





It's starting to look like a rifle!!




The next step is to fit and install the lockwork, firing pins and cocking rods. I also need to finish the ejectors. While have the machines running the lock parts, I will continue polishing the action and barrels.


Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
07 October 2009, 11:39
Rusty
Thanks for the update, Bailey!


Rusty
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"I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
08 October 2009, 05:37
goshoot
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
Oh believe me, Even if I don't know all the ins and out of exactly what is entailed. I fully understand that that what you are doing could amount to a full time job for at least a year. Yes there are simpler ways to get there.
Finding an old boxlock is not a bad idea
Thank you sir for the post and the info.
Keep at I'm waiting patiently to see the finished product
kcstott- If you want to see how to do it the easy way get a copy of this month's issue of Machinist Workshop magazine. The have a great article on making a double rifle from a shotgun.


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08 October 2009, 08:50
brandoninaz
Bailey, this is awesome!

I followed your link over from BladeForums. I just started making knives and am loving it, but I would like to learn how to do this someday. What would you suggest as the best way to learn the double rifle building process?

Thanks


Brandon
08 October 2009, 09:14
Bailey Bradshaw
Brandon,

Glad you are enjoying the build.

My best advise is to buy and read every book you can on double rifles, buy an inexpensive one and learn to shoot it, study action designs, build a set of double rifle barrels on a shotgun action, make and assemble a lock mechanism. I can't say I took the easiest way, but I spent several years off and on designing my single shot rifle, and learned a ton when I actually built it. Hands on is the best way for me. I think Trinidad college in Colorado offers classes on building doubles.


Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
08 October 2009, 09:14
Bailey Bradshaw
Today went as follows...... sculpt and shape fences and shoe lump at the breech, then...polish polish polish polish polish polish... deep breath....polish polish polish polish polish...

Here is my engraving bench with microscope. I do a lot of fitting and finishing under 10x magnification.














Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
10 October 2009, 09:05
Bailey Bradshaw
The last two days have been spent making wood shaving and dust. I changed a few features on my CAD program for my stocks since I made my prototype, so I had to prove the programing, and I certainly wasn't going to put an exhibition English blank on the machine and test my work. I have a few blanks on han dso I picked one that is nice, but wouldn't fill me with remorse if all went South. As it turns out, the stock had some nice figure hiding in there. Here it is, almost finished machining the action inletting.



Since the program was good, time for the real blank to go under the cutter.



And a shot during the final stage of inletting the top side of the action.



The inletting is not machined close enough to fit the action. I just get a good start on the cavity and it ensures alighnment.


Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
12 October 2009, 07:31
Bailey Bradshaw
This stage always gets me excited. It's that first feel with the stock that reveals so much time and effort. I must say, this one will be hard to see go. It feels great, fits me at the moment ( it will be too short at it's final length of pull)and due to the heavier wood, balances better than my prototype. Nothing like good, dense English walnut. Hope you enjoy!!





Two of a kind...




Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
12 October 2009, 08:36
Fjold
Bailey, this project amazes me more with every post you make.


Frank



"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

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13 October 2009, 06:00
Bailey Bradshaw
Shaped the forend wood and sanded the stock to 320. Also have the first couple coats of finish on. I use Permalin to finish my stocks. I like both the sealer and finish. I start by applying a few coats of sealer until it stops soaking in, then follow with a thick coat of finish. Let it dry for a ferw hours, then wet-sand the surface buildup off. Recoat and repeat until the pores are all filled. This stock will only take two rounds as the pores are so small to begin with. From there, I can use a couple of methods depending on the level of sheen desired.

Anyway, here are a few pics....










Bailey Bradshaw

www.bradshawgunandrifle.com



I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
13 October 2009, 06:27
jeffeosso
i am amazed!!


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
13 October 2009, 19:37
Rusty
Just beautiful, Bailey!


Rusty
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DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member

"I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends."
----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836
"I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
14 October 2009, 04:55
kcstott
Mr Bradshaw
Can I ask why the barrels are gapped as far as they are? Beautiful work none the less


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14 October 2009, 06:11
Bill Cooley
LOOKING GOOD!!!! Nice piece of wood.
Bill


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14 October 2009, 07:13
StormsGSP
Just fantastic. Thanks for sharing with us.


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14 October 2009, 07:18
Bailey Bradshaw
Kcscott,

The center of the bores are just under 3/4" appart, but the barrels measure .435" at the muzzel. They spread just over .3". Not as much as it looks, but you have to realize how small they are to begin with.


Bailey Bradshaw

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I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin
14 October 2009, 18:51
kcstott
It must be that there is nothing in the picture for perspective.
I thought it was because of the caliber and how thin the barrels would need to be to keep the rifle balanced


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