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OK AR Doublers, The DR business is getting really exciting with Bradshaw's Damascus guns, Butch's awsesome rising bite design and Peter's really good looking English offerings. The buzz is in that air! If you could start from scratch. That is to say you had a gun maker that would build you anything you wanted in a double, what would it be. Be creative here, don't let cost be the deciding factor - I'm talking about having your "Ultimate" double built. Let's hear it! JW | ||
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Holland & Holland Reinforced Sidelock Ejector - ie like the post 1912 guns they make 24" barrel with H&H Stippled quarter rib and front sight ramp, Flip up moon sight. Strap over comb. 500 x 3" Nitro Holland style engraving with some gold inlay encased game scene on the bottom floorplate. Kell engraved. | |||
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My ideal rifle would actually be a triple. 3 bbls. of 450/400 3". It would have a synthetic stock with springs or something in it so it would not kick much. It would be black stainless without any engraving. It would be set up for a QD scope and some type of glowing iron sights with a peep rear sight. It would weigh about 9 1/2 lbs and have a single trigger. The trigger guard would be far enough forward that it would not whack your gigi finger. It would be able to shoot buckshot or any shotgun bb's also. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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Rigby rising bite,577 nitro,25 inch chopperlump barrels,P. Griffne engraved. | |||
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What the heck... http://purdey.com/guns/double-rifles/ Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Searcy raffle ticket winner, 450 3 1/4 just as she is! | |||
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I'll let you touch it after I win it!! HA HA If you are going to dream you might as well go BIG!!   NRA Life DRSS Searcy 470 NE The poster formerly known as Uglystick | |||
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Rising bite in 500 NE was my 2nd option as I already have one in 375 Fl Magnum and I reckon the Holland action is the best. | |||
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A falling block DR, 450 3 1/4" NE | |||
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Or one of Butch's underlever DRs in 577 NE | |||
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That sounds perfect! Assuming you can't get Harry Kell out of the grave, commission Ken Hunt to do the engraving.  Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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Drop lock, extended tang, Case Colored, light small scroll engraving. 3 sets of 26" barrels in the following chamberings. 450/400 3 inch 8X57 RJS 22 Hornet or 22 Long Rifle. . . can't make up my mind! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Rusty, it's a no brainer...the 22 Hornet as it is "flanged"! Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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I'd have McKay-Brown use their proprietary action and chamber it in 375 H&H Flanged. 24" barrels and regulated with 300-gr. North Forks at 2,500 FPS/muzzle would be just about perfect, IMO. | |||
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So is .22 LR, BTW.  Rusty - I'd go with the .22 Mag if I were going that direction. JW | |||
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Good point. I have a Kell engraved Extra Finish Purdey and really like the engraving. | |||
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I know the sky is the limit here but I could go the rest of my life with just one more double, a Krieghoff Gold Imperial grade in .500/.416. One gun not mentioned are the rifles Ken sells from Verney-Carron. They make some really nice stuff too and they make .577's and 600's as well and they apparently do so on a regular production basis. I think Ken has several .577's in stock ready for delivery and at least on .600 as well. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Like Allen, I would like to have a triple as well! However mine would be a little different from his. I would have a drilling with the two side by side barrels chambered for 450/400NE 3", and the third barrel below chambered for 500NE 3". It would have two triggers, with the front trigger fireing the right barrel, the back trigger fireing the left barrel on the first pull, and the second pull fireing the bottom barrel when in a follow-up. The back trigger would be selective so it could be set to fire only the 500NE barrel. An alternitive could be a side by side 500NE, set up the same as above but with the bottom barrel chambered for 375 H&H flanged! The extra weight of the three barrels would be helpful with the 500NE barrels. .............AHHHH day dreams, they cost so little!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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H&H Royal Sidelock with very light wood and very dark streaking. Caliber would be 450 3.25". Crap....I just drooled on the computer. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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C'mon guys, let's at least make the extra barrels center fire. We may wish to reload. Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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Holland Royal Deluxe chambered in 577 light nitro(India load) and if I may summon the dead engraved by Morris or Kell in a Morris vine or floral pattern. | |||
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Ok, a triple 450/400 is darn hard to argue against, but here goes..... A H&H Royal, 450 or 465, hand detachable locks, rose and scroll, extended tang, claw mounts, Westley bolted safety, and a swedish blond gunbearer named Heidi to carry it. A man can dream..... Bob DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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Me too! Mine made 1919...Pigeon gun...Yours? JW | |||
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Yes, Pigeon gun. Late 20's or early 30's from memory - I'd have to check. PM me an email address and I'll email you a couple of pictures. | |||
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any 40 + double that I had in my hands while 15 yards from a 60+ pound bull ele....... If you own a gun and you are not a member of the NRA and other pro 2nd amendment organizations then YOU are part of the problem. | |||
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Palmer, could you elaborate on that a little? I'm slow, it's taking time for your definition of the perfect double rifle as one with three barrels, .450-400 that takes shotgun shells and shoots buckshot to sink in here. What choke do you recommend, or will they have choke tubes? Rich | |||
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Hi Rich, Im not an expert on anything related to guns but it just seems logical to have three shots at something rather than two - especially if the first shot makes it mad enough to come for you. Actually Macs idea is better than mine. The stopper round in the third bbl could be handy. As for the shotgun aspect I think it would be fun to shoot guinea fowl and franklin while riding around in the landrover or on the way back to camp. I personally would not be too concerned with the choke as long as I could blast away and scare the crap out of guineas. Mainly, I would not want the shotgun shell (I presume it would be loaded in a brass 450 400 case) to damage the rifleing. One of the most fun safaris I have been on was when I had shot everything I came for and had three days to chase franklin with the PHs double bbl 410. I never killed even one but shot at a barrel full of them. It was great. One safari I was on in Botswana the guineas were so thick that while driving along the track the bushmen in back actually caught them by grabbing them in the air barehanded and also by whacking them with a club. So I dont think chokes would make much difference such as they do on duck hunts or whatever. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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+1 That would be my dream gun...but chambered in 475#2NE.ND Stephen Grant 500BPE Joseph Harkom 450BPE | |||
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I am fulfilling that dream as we speak. It is a trim little sidelock ejector rifle with. Built by Dirk Schimmel. The caliber started off as a .375 but then changed to a .450-400 3" and has settled on a .450/3.25" NE. It will have the attributes of several of the finest English guns but be built with American strength and pin point accuracy. The plans for engraving are at the moment a tight rose and scroll full coverage but that is subject to change. | |||
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Oh ya I forgot to mention the set of 20 Ga barrels that are being fit as well.  | |||
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Damn, now that souds like a great rifle! (shotgun combo)... Are we in the midst of an American DR rennissance? I sure hope so!!! JW | |||
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Here are the pictures of my dream gun: http://www.krieghoff.com/ki/in...icle&id=74&Itemid=96 Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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One might say that we are in the second Golden Era of Double Rifles... Rich | |||
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Charles Lancaster Best Quality Hammerless Ejector High Velocity Side Lock Oval Bore Rifle, preferable in caliber .475 No. 2, ammunition made by Norma | |||
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Looks pretty nice dave I must admit!
I think I must have misunderstood the origenal post! I though he was asking what you would have built from scratch! To me that means building a double rifle from bar stock and barrel blanks without any company name at all! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I can't decide between the London Rigby 470 and the Holland and Holland 500/450 that Robert Redford carried in "Out of Africa". They are side by side at Champlin Firearms. | |||
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I have carried SXS shotguns for miles on end after quail and pheasant most of my adult life. One of the designs that come to mind is the comfort while carrying the gun. First of all I would require a round action; No sharp edges on the bottom of the receiver to dig into your shoulder or palm after carrying it for hours. I believe a McKay Brown was mentioned above. I think I would begin with that platform. A nice round action sidelock and start a 450 X 3 1/4 with 26" barrels made as slender as possible @ 10-10.5 lbs. Take a nice trip to Scotland and have it fitted to my dimensions and select my English Walnut. Let me add; a additional set of 375 flanged magnum barrels. EZ | |||
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Maybe a "One at a time, from scratch" from gunmaker George Hoenig. He makes the niftiest little SxS in calibers from 9,3x74R thru .500 NE 3". Hand made and fit to you. A little over twenty-grand, plus engraving. Made fifty miles from me. Rich | |||
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I would like to add that I would probably go on this forum and ask people in the know about what manufacturers produce fine doubles that consistently shoot straight. Nothing like dropping a ton of money on some art work that will not shoot. Mac and 400 Nitro seem to have a vast knowledge on this subject, or the DEAN on the subject "Terry Wieland" . That would be a good place to start.I am not big on "one offs"! All my one off purchases in life have always turned out to be maintenance nightmares with the exception of nice oil on canvas. EZ | |||
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I have been studying these firearms for about a year...no puchase yet. I have learned that the most important things are: 1. Barrel regulation...apparently this is difficult. Go chopper lump, and find the best regulator on the planet (Enid,OK might be a good place to start looking). 2. Weight. Select beautiful, strong wood. Not finer than 22pi checkering. HAVE IT FITTED TO YOU and you alone. For me, in .470NE, about 11 pounds. 3. High-quality trigger. Double triggers are (probably) safer on DG. 4. Sharp front ramp sight; true ghost ring rear. Personally, I would fit claw scope monuts and use a 1.5-4 x 32 on QD rings. 5. As I do not give a damn about engraving, color case hardened. 6. Personally, I would insist on a FULL recoil pad.I like Decellerators a lot. | |||
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