Hemingway's .577 up for auction!

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10 February 2011, 21:53

Jeff Wemmer

Hemingway's .577 up for auction!

Take a look! (unfortunately has a single trigger)

http://jamesdjulia.com/auction...s=36666x111&sale=303

10 February 2011, 22:25

jorge

Those animals look almost as bad as the Merkels!

The Scrollwork is superb though. Wonder how much it will fetch! jorge

10 February 2011, 22:50

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by jorge:
Those animals look almost as bad as the Merkels! The Scrollwork is superb though. Wonder how much it will fetch! jorge

jorge,

If you don't like the animals please buy it and give it to me. I can appreciate the the engraving style of the times.

465H&H

10 February 2011, 23:14

Michael Robinson

What a great rifle! As for the trigger, by all accounts WR made the best ST ever designed. Sutherland used a brace of WR ST .577s.

The engraved animals are cartoonish, but that's what you get with period engraving.

Just the fact that it's a .577 would bring a premium. That it was owned by Hemingway ought to send it into the stratosphere.

10 February 2011, 23:54

ron vella

Well, let's see, a Westley Richards in .577 NE, in original condition, cased with a few accessories, bolted safety, hand-detachable locks, lovely one-off front sight....oh yeah, and it once belonged to Ernest Hemmingway.I'd say that only the very wealthy need bid!

11 February 2011, 00:43

465H&H

Can't help nut wonder if it is one of Sutherland's rifles. But I always wonder that every time I see one of these. They are out there somewhere.

465H&H

11 February 2011, 02:00

5seventy

Now that is one hell of a double rifle!

11 February 2011, 02:19

fla3006

quote:
465H&H: Can't help but wonder if it is one of Sutherland's rifles

Interesting question, maybe WR has record of Sutherland SNs.

11 February 2011, 02:44

<generalwar>

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Take a look! (unfortunately has a single trigger)

http://jamesdjulia.com/auction...s=36666x111&sale=303

A 577 with a single trigger, no thank you!

Great though for story telling in the gunroom, but I would be talking to myself since know one is allowed in my gunroom.

11 February 2011, 03:43

Bailey Bradshaw

I would bid with confidence......that I would be outbid.

Any guesses on the closing price? T.R.'s fox shotgun went over $800k. I'm going to say this one will fetch $350-$400K.

11 February 2011, 10:02

gatsby

quote:
Originally posted by generalwar:
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Take a look! (unfortunately has a single trigger)

http://jamesdjulia.com/auction...s=36666x111&sale=303

A 577 with a single trigger, no thank you!

????

!!!!

11 February 2011, 12:43

BrettAKSCI

quote:
Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Any guesses on the closing price?

150k-300k????? God only knows! If you get the right people???? God only knows!!!

Brett

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11 February 2011, 13:18

fourbore

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by generalwar:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Take a look! (unfortunately has a single trigger)

http://jamesdjulia.com/auction...s=36666x111&sale=303

A 577 with a single trigger, no thank you!

Big Grin

???? Eeker !!!!

Funny huh! One of the greatest guns of all time and not because of Hemingway, just because, and if this was made new today the galley would be critical because it is not a perfect fit of the fashion of the day. I cannot tell, but; the barrel might be a smidge over the modern mandate too. Apparently, all the old guns do not fit a strict formula. The old timers had a brain and followed individual ideas - imagine that! Not like today, where one has to come online to get instructed on what a double should look like.

11 February 2011, 13:48

Aussie Powder Burner

Hear! Hear ! fourbore!

11 February 2011, 14:03

500N

quote:
Originally posted by fourbore:
Apparently, all the old guns do not fit a strict formula. The old timers had a brain and followed individual ideas - imagine that! Not like today, where one has to come online to get instructed on what a double should look like.

More like a few old guns were made to what the customer ordered.

And as the Director of H&H once said re the old firms, if the customer is willing to pay for it, any of them would make it.

You have to look at older guns in the light of when they were made.

.

11 February 2011, 17:16

<generalwar>

quote:
Originally posted by fourbore:
Funny huh! One of the greatest guns of all time and not because of Hemingway, just because, and if this was made new today the galley would be critical because it is not a perfect fit of the fashion of the day. I cannot tell, but; the barrel might be a smidge over the modern mandate too. Apparently, all the old guns do not fit a strict formula. The old timers had a brain and followed individual ideas - imagine that! Not like today, where one has to come online to get instructed on what a double should look like.

Nothing to do with looks, or its wonderful provenance, obviously. However my comment was based on everything to do with functionality and safety for a large bore dangerous game DR. Interesting gun no doubt.

You should buy it and cuddle with it.

11 February 2011, 18:14

WannabeBwana

Showing my ignorance -

What is that lever between the safety and the cocking lever? It has "S" and "E" positions, and says "BOLTED" beside it.

11 February 2011, 18:23

<generalwar>

quote:
Originally posted by WannabeBwana:
Showing my ignorance -

What is that lever between the safety and the cocking lever? It has "S" and "E" positions, and says "BOLTED" beside it.

Its a bolted safety, it keeps the safety locked so it doesn't engage.

11 February 2011, 23:31

Michael Robinson

Here is one of Sutherland's WR .577s.

No. 16650.

It sold at auction in London about four years ago for £68,000.

11 February 2011, 23:38

octave

If it did not belong to Hemingway what do you think it would fetch?

12 February 2011, 00:50

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Here is one of Sutherland's WR .577s.

No. 16650.

It sold at auction in London about four years ago for £68,000.

That picture won't upload for me. Can you post it in a different foormat?

465H&H

12 February 2011, 00:58

Michael Robinson

465H&H, can't you see it?

I would try it another way, but I don't know how!

It's just an ordinary JPEG file.

12 February 2011, 01:23

fourbore

quote:
That picture won't upload for me. Can you post it in a different format?

To see the Sutherland's WR 577, you can paste this into your browser (or click it):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albu...577.jpg?t=1195429471

If you cannot see that, then you are screwed. It has to work or your internet connection or provider is a fault for some reason. It should work.

12 February 2011, 03:36

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by generalwar:
quote:
Originally posted by WannabeBwana:
Showing my ignorance -

What is that lever between the safety and the cocking lever? It has "S" and "E" positions, and says "BOLTED" beside it.

Its a bolted safety, it keeps the safety locked so it doesn't engage.

I thought that it keeps the safety engaged so that the safety can't accidentally slip forward and make the trigger "live".

12 February 2011, 03:43

500N

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I thought that it keeps the safety engaged so that the safety can't accidentally slip forward and make the trigger "live".

Correct.

Keeps the gun on safe when the lever is across in front of the Safety button.
Stops it moving forward.

A nice feature on a gun but can be a PITA for those that like nice, clean guns
with less things for people to fiddle with !!! LOL
- that's my experience in the field.

12 February 2011, 03:48

<generalwar>

Yes that's what I meant. I suppose the statement was to vague and can be taken both ways. I guess I should have made a video.

12 February 2011, 03:51

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by generalwar:
Yes that's what I meant. I suppose the statement was to vague and can be taken both ways. I guess I should have made a video.

Or a PowerPoint presentation ...

12 February 2011, 03:53

<generalwar>

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by generalwar:
Yes that's what I meant. I suppose the statement was to vague and can be taken both ways. I guess I should have made a video.

Or a PowerPoint presentation ...

Next time!

12 February 2011, 03:59

500N

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:

Or a PowerPoint presentation ...

No please, save us from "Death by Powerpoint" !!! LOL

12 February 2011, 05:31

BigBBear

Regarding Sutherlands 577 WR, Simon Clode owner of WR has one of them. It is a very nice rifle. Next time I am there I will get some good photos and post them.

Larry

12 February 2011, 05:43

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by 500N:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:

Or a PowerPoint presentation ...

No please, save us from "Death by Powerpoint" !!! LOL

So, you don't "want to choose how you die"

12 February 2011, 05:47

500N

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 500N:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:

Or a PowerPoint presentation ...

No please, save us from "Death by Powerpoint" !!! LOL

So, you don't "want to choose how you die"

LOL

I'd prefer to be gored by a Buffalo or chewed by a Lion than
die from "Death by Powerpoint".

If you have ever been in the Military, you will understand !!! LOL

.

12 February 2011, 12:29

BrettAKSCI

Fantastic double! Shame about the single trigger. I suppose I'd still accept it though if one of you gifted it to me!!!

Are they selling any other doubles in the March auction?

Brett

12 February 2011, 17:04

Milo Shanghai

Have to be a really serious EH fan to pay more for it than a new best London version.

13 February 2011, 00:04

500N

quote:
Originally posted by Milo Shanghai:
Have to be a really serious EH fan to pay more for it than a new best London version.

Guns owned by famous people often go for far more than a new one.

A 450 NE went for astronomical sums at Holts in the UK. Belonged to some
famous hunter (name escapes me ATM).

13 February 2011, 03:27

JohnDL

I think the 450 at Holt's was probably Denis Finch-Hatton's. As I recall, it didn't go for too, too much.

Quite an interesting difference between a 577 from Sutherland and Hemingway.

My guess is that to most people who would appreciate a 577, the name Sutherland is far more important than Hemingway.

On the other hand, Hemingway was far more known to the general public.

Put it all together and my guess is that this rifle will go to some investor who really doesn't care that much about the rifle itself.

Hope I'm wrong.

13 February 2011, 03:31

500N

quote:
Originally posted by JohnDL:
I think the 450 at Holt's was probably Denis Finch-Hatton's. As I recall, it didn't go for too, too much.

You don't reckon ? 60k more than it was worth.

I was on the other end of the phone bidding
and stopped way before it finished. The Auctioneers couldn't believe what it went for.

The purchaser had the case for it, the other bidder was a lady who was buying it for her husband.

.

13 February 2011, 03:52

Gatogordo

My hammer price guess is $285,000. I believe their premium is 15% so add $42,750 for a total sales price of $327,270.

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13 February 2011, 06:23

<generalwar>

It will go for BIG money. A friend of mine talked with Wes at JDJ the other day and he mentioned to him there's already a lot of heavy hitters signed on for phone bids for that gun.

I imagine it will go well into the six figures. Buyers premium at JDJ is 15% btw.