Anyone know anything about the Mathelon 3 barrel rifle? Where they are made? Are they regulated? The ad I saw said it weighed 8.5 pounds.

Ask ken at kebko, he's the one selling it

Where did you find the ad? How much are they?

I've seen a few...always seem to be in 9.3x74R. They were $11,999, but have dropped since they first became available. In my mind, it's hard enough to regulate 2 barrels, let alone 3.

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This is one of the dreillings that interests me to no end. I, however, disagree with the trigger sequence for fireing order of the barrels. My objection is the front trigger is a single trigger for both top barrels. The first pull fires the right barrel. The second pull of the front trigger fires the left barrel and the sequence is not selective. The back trigger fires only the bottom barrel.

In the case of this rifle being used for hunting of dangerous game, I think the sequence should be different! By that I mean the front trigger firing the right barrel, and the back trigger firing the left barrel on the first pull, then, if needed, the bottom barrel on the second pull.

My reason for this opinion is, though I will not have a non-selective trigger on a double rifle, and can just barely abide a single SELECTIVE trigger on a double rifle.

In this case the single trigger is a must for this type of rifle, and is much better than a selector switch. However where you put it can be a lot safer for the hunter if that single set trigger is only on the left and back-up barrel which is the bottom barrel. The way this trigger system works, to me, is backwards.

By having the two top barrels fired by two different triggers leaves the side by side barrels on two completely different locks which is the biggest reason that a double rifle is so much more reliable that any other type of dangerous game rifle. Also the two top barrels are the quickest to re-load in mid fight! With the bottom barrel simply being a back-up IF needed. On this rifle I consider the two top barrels to be the main rifle, and the back-up being the third barrel, and in my case if I had to fire all three and re-load I would only re-load the two top barrels and continue the fight.
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Mac, I thought about that; just using the 3rd barrel in an absolutely desperate situation, so its regulation wouldn't be critical. But then I wouldn't be depending on a 9.3x74R for a dangerous game rifle anyway, so it kind of kills that idea.

If they only had ejectors. This is what stopped me from buying one. Ken at Kebco is the man to talk to about them. He has several for sale I think.

I don't care about the firing sequence or trigger manipulation order; nor do I need or want ejectors; hell after 3 shots if you haven't placed lead on target, you aren't going to do so with a quick(er) reload. I am more concerned about regulation. And quality, where are they made, things like that. This is not a DG rifle.When I use a DR, I don't save shots; I shoot the target with both barrels as fast as accurately possible; I don't wait to see what damage the first barrel did. It is a lot more fun that way and I figure I am evening out wear between right and left barrels. With one of these, I would have 3 shots with which to service the target array.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Mac, I thought about that; just using the 3rd barrel in an absolutely desperate situation, so its regulation wouldn't be critical. But then I wouldn't be depending on a 9.3x74R for a dangerous game rifle anyway, so it kind of kills that idea.

Biebs, as far as the regulation is concerned if the rifle is not regulated well it isn’t worth buying in the first place. In regard to the 9.3X74R chambering, the rifle could be made chambered for 375 FL, 450/400NE 3 inch or 450 NE 3 ¼ inch just as easily without making the rifle too heavy. My choice would be the 450/400NE 3 inch!

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Originally posted by dpcd:
I don't care about the firing sequence or trigger manipulation order; nor do I need or want ejectors; hell after 3 shots if you haven't placed lead on target, you aren't going to do so with a quick(er) reload. I am more concerned about regulation. And quality, where are they made, things like that. This is not a DG rifle.When I use a DR, I don't save shots; I shoot the target with both barrels as fast as accurately possible; I don't wait to see what damage the first barrel did. It is a lot more fun that way and I figure I am evening out wear between right and left barrels. With one of these, I would have 3 shots with which to service the target array.

dpcd, I see your point but there are other consideration that one sequinch of fire is safer for the shooter than another. Anyone who has hunted Cape buffalo much will know that a buffalo rarely goes down by the third shot, especially if he has already been wounded, and is charging. He is rarely charging unless he has been shot and not put down. The only time you need a quick re-load is when he is charging and you run dry.

In that case ejectors would be very useful on the two top barrels, because that is the only fast reload you would get. Even with ejectors on all three barrels re-loading three barrels quickly would be nigh impossible anyway.

That being said if the rifle is not regulated well this discussion makes little difference what the sequence or chambering is because I wouldn't buy one. With the chambering it is chambered for, or 375FL it would be as good as anything for a follow-up on leopard, but would be a fine moose or black bear rifle for North America. Here you wouldn’t need more than three shots.
The rifle could be made with ejectors as well, but would definitely cause an exorbitant rise in price. Still I want my two primary barrels (the top two) fire by separate triggers.

Others may choose it any way they want but that would be my choice!
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Mathalon grantee their rifles accuracy.
At under 9lbs, in Calibre 9.3x74R and with claw mounts, this would make a great hunting rifle.

Regulated to shoot within 6cm at 50 meters. 3-5 seconds between shots, right barrel. left barrel, bottom barrel.

The ones I have seen were regulated with Norma Oryx 286 gr bullet.

I have one of my own. At one time I personally had 4 different 9.3's (3 SxS, and the Mathelon). I have sold two of the Sxs's and will sell the 3rd SXS. The Mathelon will be the only 9.3 I will keep.

Mathelon is a small company, they make about 300 guns of all types each year. We have talked about adding a large frame suitable for the 450 NE and it is on the horizon. With the world economy only so-so for the last few years it is hard for them to get motivated to spend a lot of money for engineering for a new version when demand is unknown.

If you want to see a Mathelon in 9.3 I will have one at DSC and SCI

http://www.mathelon-armes.com/

That glow stick sight certainly turns me off as you get a different sight picture depending if you're in the sun or shade .For my M29 S&W the difference was 2 clicks at 50 yds .For my Benelli too it came off after the first squirrel hunt.
If you had a proper sight you might only need two barrels !

I disagree with the trigger system explained by some of the members. On dangerous game --RELEASE TRIGGERS-- should be used.

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Originally posted by ztreh:
I disagree with the trigger system explained by some of the members. On dangerous game --RELEASE TRIGGERS-- should be used.

If what you call a "RELEASE TRIGGER" is what I think you are describing, I certainly do not agree!

What I call a RELEASE TRIGGER is one that is pulled and fires when released. These triggers are used for extreme long range target shooting, and were not designed for hunting at all.

I can't think of a more dangerous trigger system than a release trigger especially on a double rifle and even more dangerous on the three barreled rifle.

Dangerous game is only dangerous when very close, and even more when wounded and close.

Most times in a charge situation the shooter is forced to move about while keeping his eyes on the target, more than watching where he steps. I can see someone falling and releasing a pair of triggers on a double rifle in the process shooting both barrels in who knows what direction, and effectively leaving him completely unarmed and/or shooting some one else in the party, and giving a buffalo a free hand to do as he pleases to the rest of the party.

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Originally posted by ztreh:
I disagree with the trigger system explained by some of the members. On dangerous game --RELEASE TRIGGERS-- should be used.

That has to be the worst bit of advice concerning dangerous game that I've ever heard. Anywhere! By what rationale could this be considered as sound counsel?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ztreh:
I disagree with the trigger system explained by some of the members. On dangerous game --RELEASE TRIGGERS-- should be used.

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That has to be the worst bit of advice concerning dangerous game that I've ever heard. Anywhere! By what rationale could this be considered as sound counsel?

Todd I'm not familiar with ztreh.s posts and this may be a misunderstanding of what he means by the term "REALEASE TRIGGER"! Something may be lost in translation!

I started thinking after posting, and think he may be referring to a standard trigger rather than a single selective trigger. If that is indeed the case then I do agree with him on a double rifle of any configuration if used for dangerous game.
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Like Kebco I like the Mathelon tri-barrel rifle chambered for 9.3X74R with a Trijicon 1-4X24 scope in QD mounts for 90% of my North american hunting, However I would prefer the trigger configuration to fire the two top barrels from different triggers and the bottom barrel fired by a second pull of the back trigger.

That rifle set up that way would be a fine hunting gun that could take up the slack if the big double developes a problem durring a safari. Three 9.3 North fork CPS on a cape buffalo would do some damage, and with elephant three FPS would get a bull's attention even from a 9.3X74R tripple.

In any case I would love to own that rifle, and a Merkel double barreled dreilling with two 9.3 barrels on top and a 20ga 3"" on the bottom!

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I am intrigued by these; and a reg of 6cm/2.36 inches at 50 is good for 3 barrels. I always liked Drllings and have owned a couple, but never had much use for the shotgun barrels. One exception is when I was stationed at Ft Stewart and everything was in season at once; deer, pigs, small game, etc. It was useful there. As for the "release trigger" thing, surely he doesn't mean release triggers as it is known here.

Heym build that too.
It is called an KUGELDRILLING...

They have some russian clints, they use it on european brown bear.

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