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If anyone is interested there appears to be a real nice H&H Royal on the Dec auction at Holt's in UK. Also, one a little less nice, but certainly serviceable. I have no involvement in it, just passing on an alert if anyone is looking for one. | ||
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www.holtandcompany.co.uk NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Here is a description for the H&H .375: 
577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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Look at the estimate price for this Jeffery pair: 
Is it me, or does the rifle/action on the top/right look larger than the other? 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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I think I could spend ALOT of money at that auction. Lots of cool Oberndorfs and British magazine rifles too. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I thought it was difference in angle, but I don't know for sure. | |||
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There are three things that jump out to me to ask if one is larger than the other. First is the barrel size. The second is the rib extension. The one on the top/right looks larger than the other one. The third is the top release - it looks larger on the top/right gun too. Also, on the quarter rib of the top/right gun, it is missing its standing rear site? 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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The rifle that appears to be on the right maybe directly inline on a vertical axis with the one on the 'left'. The photographer has then taken a small step to the right to bring the tops in to view. | |||
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So, if one was a successful bidder, how would they get the gun into the U.S.? Dave One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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I'm looking at the estimate value of the 2 jeffery's 10,000 - 15,000 pounds ONLY  No doubt it will end up going for much, much more... "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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577 may be right, the safety catch does appear different between the two rifles. It is indeed unusual to find double rifles in pairs, there have been a number made in history, but doubling or triples was often confined to game shotguns, maybe someone found two guns by the same maker at some point in history and twinned them. They would be a great buy for someone planning on a spot of driven tiger shooting or even planning a career as a profesional ivory hunter  As for estimate price, many times items at Holts, as elsewhere, vastly exceed their initial estimates. I have had the odd item from them in the past and ended up paying a little over the odds. Also do bear in mind that on top of the hammer price one must added buyers premium tax and VAT (currently 17.5% here in the U.K), the latter would not apply however if the guns were to be exported, however a U.S buyer may have to pay import tax once the guns reached the U.S | |||
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Hi, I had the pleasure to hold both of them at Suburban Guns in Cape Town a while ago. Charles Montgomery is Holt's representative in SA. They are matching in every aspect, made for an Indian Maharadja. when and how they turned up in SA, I dont know. He also had a double 6 Bore rifle that will come up on a later auction. Hope in win on Lotto... | |||
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I may be wrong but also the chequering border on the top edge of the pistol hand appears to run to a different length than on the other rifle, again may be an illusion but doesn't seem to be | |||
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I had a Jeffery Double. #12804. Jeffery's books said that the rifle before and after were the same specs. Not a set, but wouldn't it be neat to get them all together. | |||
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I think they're probably a composed pair rather than a true pair. SNs are 1907-1910. A gunmaker friend is going by for a look. -------------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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The serial numbers in the description are consecutive, 18943 and 18944, or is this an error? I think its the lighting and the position of the rifles relative to the camera that makes them look smaller/larger... It will be interesting to find out. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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The serial numbers are consecutive, but there appear to be slight differences between them, and they don't appear to be numbered 1 & 2. Signs of a composed pair. -------------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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15k pounds seems cheap to me. Wouldn't these rifles sell for in excess of US$40K each here? | |||
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Dan: While these are somewhat higher grade than a typical Jeffery (I think they're No. 2 grade), they look like the usual Leonard-built fixed pin boxlocks. The last No. 3 grade .475 No. 2 I saw trade went for around $15,000. It was average in finish, with excellent bores, a solid, decent rifle. WR had one a year or so ago in high, original condition that they wanted $29,000 for, but that's cracked. At the high estimate, plus buyer's premium and import costs, There wouldn't be a lot of room for profit. It'll be interesting to see what they make. ------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Jeffery doubles are my most favorite. I would love to have these 2 doubles. In the USA I think they would be a good buy at @14K US or so, each, if their overall condition is as good as this picture shows. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I was crying in bed last night.... my wife said to me "whats the matter darling" to which I simply replied I didn't have that pair of Jeffery .475 for sale for auction....." she slapped me. They just don't understand, it is not just another gun! | |||
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Jonathan This wasn't the First Combo You had the duck I'll bet.. AK | |||
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Hmmm. Seems the engraving isn't original. -------------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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It turns out that these were indeed built as a pair. They were built for HRH Maharaja of Jodhpur as a pair of dead plain .475 No 2s. Paul Roberts bought them some years ago, refurbished them, and had them engraved by Marcus Hunt. They made 17,000 pounds. ------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Even if refurbished, I think someone got a good deal on those two guns. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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577 Nitro - Interesting looking rifle. At s/n 31094 made after 1924 although I'd have thought it would have 24" barrels by then. But, why "reproved" barrels? Best for the New Year, Tim | |||
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It's probably a mid '30s gun. The 24" virus didn't become pervasive until after the war.
.375 Flanged Magnum rechambered and reproved to .375 Belted Rimless Magnum. What a shame. ------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Actually, I thought that the upgrade by a well known engraver like Marcus would enhance value some. However, drive out at 17,000 GBP is $42,500. They're not worth that here in the US. ------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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