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Side by side or over and under ?
22 November 2013, 23:15
Todd WilliamsSide by side or over and under ?
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by Balule:
Todd, I saw with my own eyes that Mike left camp every day in a certain new fangled contraption called a Toyota…. the ox wagon was probably in for a service I guess
Buzz is a pussy and refused to walk.
Good come back!
22 November 2013, 23:47
BaluleI would also refuse to walk if I left camp with non-matching slippers
22 November 2013, 23:55
470EDDYOOOOOOOH!! I think if Buzz sees this, the next time some guys might just find out how much he can walk......
470EDDY
23 November 2013, 00:32
MJinesquote:
Originally posted by Balule:
I would also refuse to walk if I left camp with non-matching slippers
Good point.
Mike
23 November 2013, 01:34
Dave Bushquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
O/U or S/S, does it really matter, once you put a scope on it you have violated the standards of gentleman shooters everywhere and turned your rifle into an abomination -- for all intent and purposes you might as well be bolt trash.
+1
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23 November 2013, 02:39
PD999quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
1-2-3 leaf express sights. Ivory bead front. End of story.
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23 November 2013, 03:20
Biebs10-4 on that....if your target is far enough away to warrant a scope, you should be shooting a bolt rifle :-)
23 November 2013, 03:39
pagosawingnutTodd,
I believe that the double you used on the lion and the warthog has a scope on it. You are an outcast and should be ostracized, ridiculed and forced to sell your DR collection and beg to borrow, shoot or own a Blaser for eternity!
23 November 2013, 04:08
BiebsI TOLD ya he was no good! :-)
23 November 2013, 04:09
Mike Brooksquote:
Originally posted by pagosawingnut:
own a Blaser for eternity!
Ouch That'll leave a mark!
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23 November 2013, 05:18
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by Mike Brooks:
quote:
Originally posted by pagosawingnut:
own a Blaser for eternity!
Ouch That'll leave a mark!
You're all TURDS! Each and every!
23 November 2013, 05:33
Mike BrooksCareful! Beibs has a copyright on that phrase...
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23 November 2013, 05:54
BiebsAnd Todd has a copyright on being one :-)
23 November 2013, 06:03
pagosawingnutIt's not too late Todd, I still have time to send you the S2. It's only in .470 NE but that should do for the hunt. I've already taken an elephant with it so it knows what to do.
23 November 2013, 06:25
Todd WilliamsRick, please do send me that S2. I know exactly what to do with it!
"Justin",
Oh hell, never mind! I'm just not in a cold hearted enough mood tonight as I'm thinking of Safari next week.
23 November 2013, 06:47
Sean RussellTodd
You should be banned just for posting that picture---
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23 November 2013, 11:38
pagosawingnutOR for scoping a Double Rifle. Biebs is right, Todd's a turd!!!!! Or maybe a blaser closet queen.
23 November 2013, 12:27
tankhunterIs that Miley Cyrus after she had a sex change or the other way around ?
23 November 2013, 15:22
RustyThanks guys! I haven't laughed this much in a long time!
Todd, the secret of you shooting my double with the red dot sight, is safe with Mike and I!
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23 November 2013, 15:23
xausaquote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
[Why don't you think you could of accomplished the same thing with a side by side?
To me, the side by side is the ultimate close quarters gun, characterized by its open sights and stock and fore end designed to resemble as much as possible a well fitting shotgun. An over and under is not quite as good a performer in this regard and its stock design and sighting system are more of a compromise to allow close in work, but also to extend the range by the use of more precise sighting equipment, often a scope.
When I ordered my double rifle, I took the stock measurements off of my favorite Perazzi international skeet gun, which happens to be quite long, with very little drop at heel and comb.
Where over and unders have acquired such a dubious reputation is in the hands of continental hunters, who try to make of it a rifle suitable for both driven game and for still hunting from a high seat, the latter application involving the use of high power scopes with huge objectives, a truly bizarre spectacle.
My over and under doubles are all equipped with scopes, but the scopes are all of the straight tube variety and mounted as low as possible. They don't overwhelm the rifle and aiming through them does not change my head position on the stock significantly.
I don't like open sights and would never use them except in an emergency, My .505 caliber bolt gun is equipped with receiver sights, and if I were to go to Africa again with my over and under rifles, I would probably take along receiver sights designed to fit in the claw mount bases on my double rifles. Such sights were not available when I did my African hunting in the 1970's.
When I shot my eland at 200 yards, we were out in a semi-desert area of low bushes and stunted trees. I took my shot lying down across one of the bushes, which gave me a comparatively steady platform to aim off of using my 3X Lyman All American scope. I hit the eland in the heart lungs area.
As he turned to escape, I fired a second shot, which hit his left hip joint, shattering the ball and leaving the 300 grain Silvertip .375 H&H bullet in the socket of the joint. He was dead by the time we got to him, but the second shot anchored him in a way the first shot had failed to do.
I have never seen a side by side rifle with which I would feel comfortable enough to be able to connect on those two shots.
23 November 2013, 23:53
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by xausa:
quote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
[Why don't you think you could of accomplished the same thing with a side by side?
To me, the side by side is the ultimate close quarters gun, characterized by its open sights and stock and fore end designed to resemble as much as possible a well fitting shotgun. An over and under is not quite as good a performer in this regard and its stock design and sighting system are more of a compromise to allow close in work, but also to extend the range by the use of more precise sighting equipment, often a scope.
When I ordered my double rifle, I took the stock measurements off of my favorite Perazzi international skeet gun, which happens to be quite long, with very little drop at heel and comb.
Where over and unders have acquired such a dubious reputation is in the hands of continental hunters, who try to make of it a rifle suitable for both driven game and for still hunting from a high seat, the latter application involving the use of high power scopes with huge objectives, a truly bizarre spectacle.
My over and under doubles are all equipped with scopes, but the scopes are all of the straight tube variety and mounted as low as possible. They don't overwhelm the rifle and aiming through them does not change my head position on the stock significantly.
I don't like open sights and would never use them except in an emergency, My .505 caliber bolt gun is equipped with receiver sights, and if I were to go to Africa again with my over and under rifles, I would probably take along receiver sights designed to fit in the claw mount bases on my double rifles. Such sights were not available when I did my African hunting in the 1970's.
When I shot my eland at 200 yards, we were out in a semi-desert area of low bushes and stunted trees. I took my shot lying down across one of the bushes, which gave me a comparatively steady platform to aim off of using my 3X Lyman All American scope. I hit the eland in the heart lungs area.
As he turned to escape, I fired a second shot, which hit his left hip joint, shattering the ball and leaving the 300 grain Silvertip .375 H&H bullet in the socket of the joint. He was dead by the time we got to him, but the second shot anchored him in a way the first shot had failed to do.
I have never seen a side by side rifle with which I would feel comfortable enough to be able to connect on those two shots.
I can show you one! Just take a look at that short little video I posted! Nothing special about an O/U and taking longer shots vs SxS. It's all about proper regulation and matching the ammo to the gun. If you get the barrels shooting parallel, the only thing you need to worry about is elevation. With the O/U, elevation variation works against you with increasing range.
Close inspection will show exactly where that bullet impacted from 150 yards!
24 November 2013, 00:00
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
Thanks guys! I haven't laughed this much in a long time!
Todd, the secret of you shooting my double with the red dot sight, is safe with Mike and I!
Hey, I've got no reservations with shooting that fine double with a red dot! That's a shooting rig right there.
My only regret is letting Jines get away with Photoshopping a Blaser into my hands. We all know that NEVER HAPPENED!
24 November 2013, 02:12
Todd WilliamsNever happened. Photoshopped!
