Ain't this a daisy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncj3bux7c5o

It sure am sweet! I would take that to Africa. I love innovative designs that work. The man is a genius designer.

Saw one at a local big bore/double rifle shoot a few years ago, very neat. As I recall the price was substantial.

Wish he'd sell his design to Ruger and let them make it on a large scale with investment castings and CNC. America needs an affordable double rifle.

Super idea; unfortunately it is a damn over and under, but I am sure it could be made into a side by side. This would be far simpler to build than a traditional box lock, and far stronger than anything; still needs regulation which is a cost driver. I would like to have a set of prints for it.

George is a genius. I've known him since about 1999. A fun guy to be around and just listen to his passion for rifles and gun making.

The german heritage doesn´t deny nothing and he went working for Pachmayer also. Spitzenklassen und nur spitzenklassen.

Beautiful, elegant , and functional.

Like Bill/Oregon said, it would be nice if the gun could be produced in volume and keep all the best features.

Beautiful rifle...too bad Spomer was narrating

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Super idea; unfortunately it is a damn over and under, but I am sure it could be made into a side by side. This would be far simpler to build than a traditional box lock, and far stronger than anything; still needs regulation which is a cost driver. I would like to have a set of prints for it.

It is a beautiful piece and well engineered.
If I may, dpcd, what is your objection to an O-U double? I know absolutely zero about them, but would think they'd handier than a side-by-side? Aesthetics?

Just curious

Over and under rifles aren't real double rifles; they are just two barrels affixed on top of one another, invented on the Continent because they couldn't afford to make real side by sides.
Real double rifles are side by sides; Ninety five percent of AR members agree with me, the other 5% think they are fine.
Handier; no, the opening angle is so steep as to make operating them a problem.
Really, I just like side by sides and would not own a O/U.
Now, yes, this is a super design though.

Certainly some fine workmanship gone into it but rather clumsy and slow reloading sequence and I would not want to accidentally drop the gun or even carry it too far opened and over the shoulder as you can quite comfortably with an O/U, that hinge mechanism looks rather light and flimsy, compared with a conventional O/U or SxS hinge pin and hook.

Reminds me of some Ferlach break open guns where they all looked fancy and fine but had some failings with flimsy parts, extractors etc.

Agree with dpcd that the 'failing' with O/Us, if you call it a failing, is the wide opening angle especially when trying to reload quickly in the field. However O/Us are much easier than SxSs to regulate well and also hold better on target for the second shot, with the under barrel usually being fired first, recoil is better controlled and lift from the first shot is limited.

Unsold at the last Julia auction, probably still available: HOENIG

No IMHO it's impractical. Fine workmanship but wasted on solving a problem that long ago found a solution.

It reminds me of some of the early breech extracting revolvers that worked on the same pull forward principal.

So it's not a new idea. Seems like someone looked back through old gun patents in one of those coffee table gun books.

Thomas's Patent or Galand type (and others that required a twist) a later similar idea in the Enfield .476 revolver. So it's not a new idea.

The fact that on one else uses it on a revolver...or on a double rifle...shows that it is an design best left back in history books.

Plus, if it wears, as it will, what gets repalced? The breech? The barrel? Damn sight simpler to rejoint a conventional drop down side-by-side double.

I can't fault the workmanship. But its an obsolete concept that's time has long passed.

And as a potential dangerous game rifle?

I'm sorry to be harsh but If someone asked me to hunt dangerous game with that I think I'd ask to stay in camp that day.

I can see on a extremely hot day or on an extremely cold day this thing failing to be able to be turned open.

There's no "purchase" or gripping placee on it to give it force.

Your trying to turn a round object off a round spigot. So you've no true lever benefit.

It's OK as a deer rifle as a novelty but less practical than a Winchester or Marlin lever action.

Bottom line? If you want something that's as distinctive and as light with as few parts? Then buy a Darne side-by-side double rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TafnrEUtrqc

There's even a Darne USA website.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Super idea; unfortunately it is a damn over and under, but I am sure it could be made into a side by side. This would be far simpler to build than a traditional box lock, and far stronger than anything; still needs regulation which is a cost driver. I would like to have a set of prints for it.

dpcd, It makes no difference that it is an O/U because the design is not well suited to use on dangerous game anyway even if side by side. The reload time would get you killed in a close fight that the first two did not get the job done.

The very precise fitting is amazing, and shows the maker is a true artist with tools!

I would love to have one chambered for 280 Rem for elk hunting, and just because it is and will be a very rare rifle to a gun collector!

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Mac, you'll have to settle(?) for a 7x57R as the round must be rimmed. Unless there is another, bigger rimmed 7mm I'm unaware of.

He's made at least two in .17 HMR - one was for sale not long ago. That's a pricey plinker!

Yes. 7x65R which is the 7x64...but with a rim. More popular in Europe and more available nowadays than 7x57R. Like a rimmed .280 Remington.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
Yes. 7x65R which is the 7x64...but with a rim. More popular in Europe and more available nowadays than 7x57R. Like a rimmed .280 Remington.

Good to know! Problem solved!