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Buggered screws and all.

I'll be right back....going to run to Walmart and see if they carry both softs and solids for it.

I would think that you can re-size .338 bullets for it,not that I am buying this rifle

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not that I am buying this rifle Smiler

Yet :-)

Odd caliber for today, but that's a good Leonard rifle and I'll bet anyone a nickle that it will be very accurate. I believe the price is a bit steep in today's market, but can't blame the dealer for trying.

when I owned one (years ago) we did swage down in two steps
however the jackets did suffer in integrity after that

later had Colorado Custom, Barnes and DKT make them
sold the gun long ago

Would bet CEB would turn some

Think Woodliegh and Hawk also make them

IMO, if you had the dies, brass and a supply of bullets, this rifle wouldn’t be such a bad proposition.
The 333 is an eminently capable round today as it ever was.
I looked this rifle over at the same time as the ported 450No.2 Boswell. Both were owned by the same gentleman. This is a good rifle.

These are fine old rifles...I had one that was pristine, it shot well with old Kynoch, and I sold in in the early 90's to an Aussi for $7000...now I wish I still had it....George Caswell has one on his site for $29,000...for about 2 years now...for the life of me I don't know what brings that kind of price??!!

Cheers,

Very nice rifle.
The only reason I don't look at it seriously is I have a .350 no2 Rigby as my small or medium bore.
That said, I would discard my no2 for the standard .350 firing a the heavier bullet.
Cheers,
Cal
PS. As to the commentary here about prices; yes, they are low and five years ago they were very high. I have five of my rifles for sale at a quality shop and they are priced well below what they would have sold for a few years ago. I'm going to list 3-4 more before I depart for SA and Zim in <3 weeks. (One is a .50-110 Winchester M-1885 so I may not take such a bad hit on that one).

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That said, I would discard my no2 for the standard .350 firing a the heavier bullet.

Have you tried the heavier bullet or do you just know that the twist won’t be sufficient to stabilize the heavier bullet?

I have not tried the heavier bullet at 2150.
At 2575 fps the 225 grains bullet shoots six shots in 1" at 50 yards. The best double I have.
I assume the twist would be too slow for the heavier bullet.
That said, I suppose I should try when I get back from Africa (depart in three days).
Thanks for your question.
Cal
PS. The no2 loading is perhpas the first, or one of the first, examples of the 75% rule. This rule is nothing new. I don't know, however, if the twist was changed.

Hey, that's good shootin!!
Have a GREAT TRIP, Cal!!
Cheers,

With additional thought...

The 75% rule works fairly well but with lighter bullets (75% of the regulated weight) and a full powder charge. The rifling is quick twist to whoot accurately the heaver bullet so quick rifling will also shoot a lighter bullet well.

But, I don't know if a heavier bullet will work in a slow twist made for lighter bullets.

Chime in here, gentlemen. We may be on to something bugger than all of us.
Cal
PS. Thanks, Steve.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
...The no2 loading is perhpas the first, or one of the first, examples of the 75% rule. This rule is nothing new. I don't know, however, if the twist was changed.

I'm thinking that Holland and Holland may have originated the idea with their 500/450 shooting 480gr and 365gr bullets but have also been told that their doubles were factory regulated to one or the other load by customer specification.
George Gibbs 461 Farquharsons were often sighted to use both heavy and lighter bullets but I have not seen enough 461 double rifles to know if they were sighted similarly. Both of these makers were doing this long before the 350No.2 came along.

I could make quite a report on this as I have my 350No.2 Rigby and a set of swaging dies to make RN .358" bullets of any weight I could want.
Sounds like another experiment I'll never get around to...

Suspect, Cal and Huvius, that Rigby likely discovered that the 225 grain bullet for the No. 2 regulated with the same weight of powder that they had used for the 310 grain original. Three fourths of 310 gr. is about 232 gr which is close enough. Naturally velocity would have increased and so POI would be higher on the target, but adjusting the irons would handle that. Thus, no need to alter the twist when making a 350 No. 2. Of course, the proof of this speculation is by measuring twist of both 350 No. 2 and of the original 400/350 flanged.

My 500/450 regulated a 350 gr bullet almost as well as the 480 grain but higher on the target. The H&H gun book notes observed that fact as well.

Regards, Tim