[QUOTE]Originally posted by buckstix:
----- I believe VC is better quality metal to wood fit, finish, visually, and expecially Mechanically, and a "step-up" from the Heym. I'm a retired R&D Mechanical Design Engineer,.----
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BuckStix
Could you please enlighten the non-engineers in the group as to your method of determination of the mechanical superiority of which you speak so highly and the specifics thereof?

I wouldn't know an R from a D but I do know that I love VC's over Heyms for fit/finish/lock-up design as explained to me as well as the fact that VC's gentleman at DSC was very interesting to talk to...and enthusiastic about his product. If I wasn't into original English I would buy a VC.

I like my VC500.....



50yds....one and done

VC gets a lot of good press here. I have said for years if I was to buy a non English modern double it would be a VC. Not that the others are bad, but I like the look and lines of the VC and Jerome and Ken are nice gents to chat with.
Cal
PS. Ed, nice buff!

Dutch, Ed S.

Happy for you both, truly glad you are enjoying your respective rifles.

The question is sincere from an engineering/mechanical superiority perspective.

Cal
I have not written books on DR's as you have-and
I have only owned around 50 DR's , I have fired probably around 3 to 4 times as many rifles that I did not have the pleasure of owning.
I no longer get to shoot as much as you do currently (my loss), but have fired literally thousands of DR rounds over the past 45+ years.

I AM sincerely curious when a statement such as the one reflected in the starter post is put forward.

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----- I believe VC is better quality metal to wood fit, finish, visually, and expecially Mechanically, and a "step-up" from the Heym. I'm a retired R&D Mechanical Design Engineer,.----

I have seen their rifles (Heym and VC) many times at convensions, in their factorys, at competitions, in the hunting fields and I have shoot both many times.

I would not say, that VC is a step up over Heym. Both are great.
I think it is an question, witch design you like.

I agree - I have both VC and Heym. It ends up with a preference on the visual !



Morten

I just like the looks of the VC better, I can't get past the "notched" receiver of Heym, and their actions tend to look so plain as to look unfinished. As far as actions, I'm no engineer, but the VC's triple lock looks very strong. As to quality, I believe them to be equal.

Everyone has their preferences for different reasons including handling but I agree with Bockhunter and The Norwegion on this as well.

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Originally posted by jorge:
I just like the looks of the VC better, I can't get past the "notched" receiver of Heym, and their actions tend to look so plain as to look unfinished.

+2

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Originally posted by MHC_TX:

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Originally posted by jorge:
I just like the looks of the VC better, I can't get past the "notched" receiver of Heym, and their actions tend to look so plain as to look unfinished.

+2

+3. Good explanation that fits.
Cal

BuckStix,

Not seeing in your response-
any actual measurements of distances, angles, or surface areas
or calculations of forces,
or strain gauge data
or other non- destructive
or destructive hard data,
or metallurgical analysis,
with respect to strength parameters or untoward and damaging motion to the firearm while firing.

The essence is: that you just like the VC better-

it appears you like the multiple lateral lug surfaces, 3 hinge pin hooks, and rear bar lock across 3 surfaces-

VS

the dual lateral lug surface, the single hinge pin hook, the two Purdey under lug bites, top rib extension and Greener locking bar on the Heym .

That you like it better a fine answer-

We can all like something different-



That it is mechanically superior-- that is another thing all together

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Originally posted by buckstix:

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Not seeing in your response-
any actual measurements of distances, angles, or surface areas
or calculations of forces,
or strain gauge data
or other non- destructive
or destructive hard data,
or metallurgical analysis,
with respect to strength parameters or untoward and damaging motion to the firearm while firing.

Sure, glad to provide you with the above. Send me a PM with your address for a price quote.

These you or I can have performed by reputable labs-
as you should know-

So-
back to opinion aren't we?

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by MHC_TX:

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Originally posted by jorge:
I just like the looks of the VC better, I can't get past the "notched" receiver of Heym, and their actions tend to look so plain as to look unfinished.

+2

+3. Good explanation that fits.
Cal

+4

Seems as if Buck has deleted his post???

Has he "packed up his toys and gone home"

as one of our members so eloquently said in a previous post!!

As to my opinion, I prefer the aesthetics and look/ feel of VC over Hyem. I can't say that one is superior to the other mechanically as I'm no "expert" on these matters, however the Demas lock that VC is based on does look pretty solid to me.


Cheers

Nick

All good quality doubles will work fine. Heym, VC, and many others, from UK or not, will function well.
I guess it comes down to looks. Kind of like women. Hillary can perform all the functions of a woman but Bill always seem to pick another based on looks.
Cal

Jeez, Cal - that's just a horrible thought .... give us some warning first ...

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Hillary can perform all the functions of a woman but Bill always seem to pick another based on looks.
Cal

And on THAT , we can all agree with Slick Willy...

Now, I am not an engineer. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but there are a couple observations which seem worth discussing.

First, although the VC has its triple lump arrangement, they are comparatively narrow compared to traditional lumps and the Heym in particular looks to have a pretty wide lump.
In terms of bite surface, it would seem that the VC wins out, but the Heym has two bites on the lump so they may be quite similar in that respect.

Now, in order for the VC action to accommodate this wide triple lump arrangement, the action bar must be troughed out to a much greater extent than a traditional double rifle action.
I would think that at their respective extremes of strength, the Heym action alone would be "stronger" simply as a function of the amount of metal in the action bar.

As mentioned above, the Heym also has a Greener type crossbolt which must add some strength to the lockup.

I have no dog in this fight, I wouldn't buy either gun, but I cannot say that either could claim superiority in design over the other, just two ways to get the same job done.
As Cal says, "All good quality doubles will work fine. Heym, VC, and many others, from UK or not, will function well."

Both are fine, and I'd be happy to own a half dozen of each in as many chamberings.

Having said the above, if I had to choose one over the other it would be a Heym for a couple of reasons that are simply personal choices nothing more!

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Originally posted by nickh:
Seems as if Buck has deleted his post ------
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Nick

post(s)-
as in more than one

Correct.... And the silence is deafening!!!!!


Cheers

Nick

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Originally posted by Ed Scarboro:
I like my VC500.....



50yds....one and done

That is a fine buffalo Ed! The 500NE is one of my favorite chamberings! Congratulations sir on both your rifle and your buffalo!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by MHC_TX:

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Originally posted by jorge:
I just like the looks of the VC better, I can't get past the "notched" receiver of Heym, and their actions tend to look so plain as to look unfinished.

+2

+3. Good explanation that fits.
Cal

+4

+5

The Verney Carron doublerifle seems be a good gun...however the Verney Carron homepage seems very confusing. I have tried a few time to actually find their dr-program but like trafficjam in India...Very confusing

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
The Verney Carron doublerifle seems be a good gun...however the Verney Carron homepage seems very confusing. I have tried a few time to actually find their dr-program but like trafficjam in India...Very confusing

I thought I was the only one who noticed this.
Cal