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I'm kind of curious how many shoot the rear trigger on their gun first? I was told this was a better way to avoid inadvertantly firing the second trigger during recoil from the first. I have a Beretta shotgun with double triggers that I use to get accustomed to two triggers and it only took about three rounds of skeet to retrain myself. I guess old dogs can learn new tricks! Go Steelers!!!
 
Posts: 3073 | Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Registered: 11 November 2004Reply With Quote
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I have always used the front trigger first and so far no problems. I'll switch to rear first if it ever becomes one.

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front one 1st
 
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Front first, and I'm a lefty, which means my trigger finger is across the rear trigger when it is on the front trigger. No doubles, no issues.

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On heavy recoiling doubles, the rear trigger first. If the front trigger is pulled first there is a very real chance of doubling. But it's up to everyone if your willing to chance twice the recoil. It becomes much more possible in hot weather when your hunting and sweating a lot. I figure if I always go rear first I won't forget when the chips are down.


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Posts: 626 | Location: The soggy side of Washington State | Registered: 13 July 2003Reply With Quote
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Hell what would I know.
For a double rifle soft one side solid other, well whatever trigger you happen to need.

Same with shotguns, only decide what choke you need.
Yanks tend to go front trigger first cause they don't know any better.
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I THINK the poms fired the rear trigger first on shotguns because the upper crust "Guns" shot game driven towards them and shot the tighter choke first and left barrel as the birds got closer, ie between the line of shooters. Smiler

And probably rear first on rifles re doubleing and any slippage on recoil means the front trigger is then closer. Heck, whatever you want works.
 
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they are usually regulated with the right barrel shooting first ( front trigger on right handed rifle)


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I have a problem doubling my 470 if I don't shoot back trigger first. It's just habit now.


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So how much of a problem is this regulation when fireing the left first. (inches or feet)??
 
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Depends on the gun. Sometimes very little, sometimes a lot. The correct order is R-L. I've always done it that way and have never had a double discharge.
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Several time it has been posted that the front trigger, right barrel should be fired first due to the right barrel being regulated first.

If the gun is regulated to the same point of aim, why does the firing of right or left trigger make a difference?
 
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In theory, when the rifle is regulated, the right barrel is fired when both barrels are "cold" the left is fired when it is "cold" but the right has been fired and thus heated up and expanded. To reverse the order would change the expansion of the right barrel for which provision has been made in the regulation.

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I got into a habit of firing the rear first for two reasons, I shoot a lot of large stuff .450s to .500s and found out how easy it is to fan the trigger under recoil ending up with a double discharge. Second, most of the doubles I use are vintage English guns that have a bit more Cordite erosion in the right barrel, so I fine tune sight the gun for the left barrel and use the right as the backup. I’ve never noticed much difference in regulation when shooting the left or right first, but there may be something to that in some fussy guns.


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Thanks for the response. I was told by Searcy's Machinist that given I had little experience with double triggers I should shoot the rear trigger first to avoid a double.
The largest I have shot has been the 416 Rigby. how does it compare to the 470NE?
 
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Thanks for the response. I was told by Searcy's Machinist that given I had little experience with double triggers I should shoot the rear trigger first to avoid a double.
The largest I have shot has been the 416 Rigby. how does it compare to the 470NE?


The 470 is the next level up or maybe a bit more. I would recommend shooting one before buying. If your looking to Searcy he'll let you fire one, no problem. You'll have to get to his place though Big Grin


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I have always naturally shot the rear trigger first as that is the one which has had an ideal lenght of pull [by chance] on the old guns I have shot.
also they have all had hinged front triggers and as I have thin fingers I have never had a finger bruising problem.
The final logical reason is that the recoil naturally brings the front trigger into play rather than the reverse being true of using the front first.
But then you yanks all drive on the opposite side of the road so expect maybe you just want to be different!!!???
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A recent experience with a long stalk on a very hot and humid day after buff in the Northern Territory of Australia-sweaty gun++,500 Nitro double-I would now strongly recommend the rear trigger first.


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Let me guess, you got one Buf., one aircraft, and one sore sholder. thumb
 
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Several time it has been posted that the front trigger, right barrel should be fired first due to the right barrel being regulated first.

If the gun is regulated to the same point of aim, why does the firing of right or left trigger make a difference?


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In theory, when the rifle is regulated, the right barrel is fired when both barrels are "cold" the left is fired when it is "cold" but the right has been fired and thus heated up and expanded. To reverse the order would change the expansion of the right barrel for which provision has been made in the regulation.

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JPK's answer is correct, and as 400 Nitro Express says, in some rifles it makes little difference, but in others it makes a lot of difference. and JPK tells you why that is true!

The thing you need do is, shoot your rifle that way on paper with very carefull shooting, and see if it makes any difference on your rifle, over the proper sequince. If it doesn't hurt your composite groups when shooting the back trigger first, then shoot it that way if you want, but you need to know if it works before you get in a fight with a lion! Eeker


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On hammer guns I shoot the back trigger first as I cock both barrels at the same time. A double with a light 450 NE #2 will teach you to do that. With hammerless I pull the front trigger first to stick with the r/l firing sequence. With the 4 doubles I have owned I could never tell any diffence in regulation regardless of the firing order.

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If you are new to big bore double rifles, I suggest that you start out with one barrel loaded with a live round and the other with a snap cap or fired round. Then see if the other barrel has been tripped. If after 20 or 30 shots you see that the opposite barrel has not fired you are good to go with using the front trigger first. I have never had that problem with any of my doubles.

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Double discharges are due to poor trigger control, pure and simple. If you don't learn how to keep your finger on the front trigger through the initial recoil impulse of the right barrel, you'll eventually strum the rear trigger hard enough to get double tapped. That's just part of learning how to use a double trigger gun properly, and some people have more trouble learning it than others.
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400 Nitro is correct.
What causes a double discharge is the collaspe of your shoulder, which caused you hand to travel backwards causing your trigger finger to slap the rear trigger.
To prevent this you must maintain a firm shoulder, a firm grip on the pistol grip and use a fair amount of trigger finger, say to the first joint on the front trigger.
You should hold a double rifle [ actually any big bore rifle] very firm and aggressively.
It ain't a target rifle. You are a manly man, or a womanly woman, in "combat" with dangerous game, [or when shooting pigs etc,you are still using a Dangerous Game Rifle.] It "ain't" a wimp gun, do not handle it like a "Wimp".


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Is it possible that those that experience a double discharge are trying to get there finger to the back trigger too soon rather then following through on the first shot? Dun know, just wondering.

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You wouldn't put it past some blighters to have a finger on each trigger at the same time.
 
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