If only this were true for all the guns!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qzBy5mijk

Notice they don't hold the front of the gun but rest it in the V of the cradle ?

That looks like RWS ammo , not Hornady that they are supposedly regulated with..

Is the 9.3 regulated with Hornaday as well?


I don't know about the 9.3's but my 45/70, is substantially less ammo sensitive, than my fickle Chapuis.


Is this the "Right way" of regulating a double? I've never actually seen one being built before.

No, it is definitely the wrong technique to use when regulating a DR, but they are not the only maker to do it without holding the forearm. All double rifles must be regulated and fired from using both hands and preferably from a standing rest. Chapuis does it wrong as well if their video is indicative.

From my experience, big bores tend to be a lot less sensitive i terms of regulation than medium
and smaller bores. Although most 9.3's I've seen
or heard about are not sensitive.


No, it is not the correct way to regulate a DR.

See the Holland and Holland Video as they show
the correct technique and a good standing rest set up.

My original post with the video was in reference to Sabbatti rifles only, not as to the regulation techniques for other better known companies. If all Sabbatti's were as well regulated as the one in the video, I doubt there would have a real need for muzzle grinding.

I don't understand not installing the forearm during regulation. Seems that would alter the quality of the process.

Maybe Butch Searcy or Bailey Bradshaw could chime in here and clarify for us all.

Mike

Surprised no one commented on the shooting technique. Every one here preaches the rifle must be shouldered and preferably the shooter be standing when sighting them in. Also, the shooter in the video is not doing a quick, 1-2, shooting one barrel then shooting the other barrel as soon as possible. In the video the shooter is also using some sort of spring controlled rest and shooting from the bench with the forearm rested. Even if perfect regulation is achieved it would seem it would all change when the rifle in put in the hands of the shooter standing up.
That is, according to the experts on this forum

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Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
Surprised no one commented on the shooting technique. Every one here preaches the rifle must be shouldered and preferably the shooter be standing when sighting them in. Also, the shooter in the video is not doing a quick, 1-2, shooting one barrel then shooting the other barrel as soon as possible. In the video the shooter is also using some sort of spring controlled rest and shooting from the bench with the forearm rested. Even if perfect regulation is achieved it would seem it would all change when the rifle in put in the hands of the shooter standing up.
That is, according to the experts on this forum

Hence everyone who has commented here stating this is INCORRECT!

That must be an early film. Now it's shoot, then get out the Dremel :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:
That must be an early film. Now it's shoot, then get out the Dremel :-)

All are right in my opinon as to shooting off the rest is not the best way to get good regulation.
Well let’s just say if it was correct he still needed to do some work. I call it as shooting apart and low. I never saw him adjust he barrels when he pulled the wedge. I would think he would have needed to tighten the screws pushing the barrels together and then used a narrower wedge.
I wonder who is going to handle Sabbatti now that Cabela’s quit.
Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Cooley:
I wonder who is going to handle Sabbatti now that Cabela’s quit.
Bill

All the dealers can order thru EAA I'm sure. But with their dismal record of repairs to the existing Sabatti's, I'll pass!

Yes EAA is terrible and so is Cabela's. Cabela's should have issued a recall on Sabattis and sent them all back to EAA. I bought one a few years ago before much was known about them and now I'm stuck with the thing. Watching that video explains a lot to me as to why they think they're regulated.

If anyone knows someone that regulates Sabattis please let me know.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
If only this were true for all the guns!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qzBy5mijk

Here is the answer again!

That film looks good to those who have zero idea of how regulation of a double rifle is properly done, and this one was not done properly, bwecause...... The wrong thing in that regulation was the rest machine used to do the regulation. The recoil spring loaded suppressor is not the problem, it is the vertical ears that are tight up against the barrels. This eliminates the recoil angle in the upward and away from the other barrel of each barrel. So that when the barrels are removed from the regulating rest and the barrels are allowed to recoil normally the regulation will go to hell!



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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
If only this were true for all the guns!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qzBy5mijk

Here is the answer again!

That film looks good to those who have zero idea of how regulation of a double rifle is properly done, and this one was not done properly, bwecause...... The wrong thing in that regulation was the rest machine used to do the regulation. The recoil spring loaded suppressor is not the problem, it is the vertical ears that are tight up against the barrels. This eliminates the recoil angle in the upward and away from the other barrel of each barrel. So that when the barrels are removed from the regulating rest and the barrels are allowed to recoil normally the regulation will go to hell!



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Mac,

I think you are spot on. I would like to hear from Butch or Bailey on what they think. Why not put the forearn on during regulation? It definitely should not be clamped in. I'm not sure I agree that all double rifles must be placed in the fore-hand for proper regulation.

In fact, I am going to do an experiment using three different double rifles with two groups from each gun. One group will be with the hand under the forearm, the other with the gun rested in either shooting sticks or a bench rest.

I'll let all know once I have the results.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:
If only this were true for all the guns!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qzBy5mijk

Here is the answer again!

That film looks good to those who have zero idea of how regulation of a double rifle is properly done, and this one was not done properly, bwecause...... The wrong thing in that regulation was the rest machine used to do the regulation. The recoil spring loaded suppressor is not the problem, it is the vertical ears that are tight up against the barrels. This eliminates the recoil angle in the upward and away from the other barrel of each barrel. So that when the barrels are removed from the regulating rest and the barrels are allowed to recoil normally the regulation will go to hell!



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Mac,

I think you are spot on. I would like to hear from Butch or Bailey on what they think. Why not put the forearn on during regulation? It definitely should not be clamped in. I'm not sure I agree that all double rifles must be placed in the fore-hand for proper regulation.

In fact, I am going to do an experiment using three different double rifles with two groups from each gun. One group will be with the hand under the forearm, the other with the gun rested in either shooting sticks or a bench rest.

I'll let all know once I have the results.

There are many people who have double rifles that do not shoot to the same grouping as shown on the test target and the must work up a load that will regulate properly. A double rifle must be regulated the same way the shooter holds it the rifle. Even a single barrel rifle will usually shoot high when rested directly on a sand bag, and higher when laid directly on a very firm surface. Even a single barrel rifle depends on barrel time to make it shoot high or low vertically. When any rifle recoils it carries the weight of the fore-hand along with the recoil flip. This is compounded with a double rifle, by it's recoiling UP, and AWAY from the other barrel. If either of these directions of barrel movement is either retarded or let fly free it will effect the regulation negatively when held later in the hands and fired.

I had some real problems physically regulating a couple of doubles early on,until I learned this.

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Mac,

You have years and hundreds of rounds through double rifles on me, but I'm going to do the experiment for myself anyway, just so I can convince myself.

There have been so many times while hunting that I wanted to lay those barrels over a tree limb to steady my shot. I gotta know from my own data.

I respect all you know and have done. Thanks for your input, and I always read what you say carefully.

Mike

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
Mac,

You have years and hundreds of rounds through double rifles on me, but I'm going to do the experiment for myself anyway, just so I can convince myself.

There have been so many times while hunting that I wanted to lay those barrels over a tree limb to steady my shot. I gotta know from my own data.
Mike

That is a very good Idea! Try it with the rifle rested directly on a soft bag, then on a harder surface, the resting your hand on the bag, holding the rifle as you would hold it when shooting off hand all on the same target, keeping track of each shot placement all using the same hold on the target. What you want to do is shoot the first two from a cool barrel set, and each two there after from cool barrels.

A double rifle is designed to shoot best from a cool barrel set as it is usually done when hunting. So to get a fair comparison, each pair should be fired the same way. In the hunting situation one often fires the first two from room temp barrels, with a quick re-load, and two more from hotter barrels. If more are needed that can be done but the accuracy will not be the same as the first two. Under hunting conditions that is OK because the second two are usually only slightly longer that the first two and the third two are usually at a fast fleeing animal where pin point accuracy cannot be expected. However if the animal is closing on you four is all you likely to get and maybe only the first two.

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