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dancingBoy, did I have fun this weekend:

My wife and I went up to the cabin this past weekend for four days and I took the new Merkel along with eight rounds loaded up.

Since I did not have a load worked up for the rifle with the 232 grain Norma Vulcans, I grabbed what was loaded; which was eight rounds with a 250 grain Nosler Accubond.

All eight rounds had 56.5 grains of IMR 4064 powder but four rounds were with WLR primers and the other four were WLR Magnum primers.

Since this was not the factory load I was not expecting much. I just wanted to try the rifle for fit, face pounding, felt recoil, etc. Ok, I just wanted to shoot the gun.

I set up two targets at 50 metres, went back to my standing rest and fired rounds off two at a time; right barrel, right target, left barrel, left target, six to eight seconds apart.

The group with the rounds using WLR primers were 3.5 inches vertical by 1.5 inches horizontal. The group with the WLR Magnum primers were 2.5 inches vertical by .5 inches horizontal. I would say not bad for a cartridge with the wrong projectile weight and a random load of powder and primer. I can't wait to see what it will do with the proper load.

I found the front blade sight to be a bit too wide for my taste and I will scope the rifle, as there is one dove tail already cut in the rifle.

Recoil is what I would consider stout however, there was no jarring cheek-slap. The front of my gun jumped out of my hand. To hang on to the rifle, I will have to grip the barrels because the forearm is so slender. I will have a recoil pad installed in place of the plastic butt plate.

Overall, I am in love. She is a keeper. I can hardly wait to take her deer and moose hunting this year.

As I want to mount a scope on the rifle, most likely a Leupold 1-4x20, what kind of a quick detachable scope mount would be available for this rifle? I am a bit confused as to only one dove-tail being cut into the rear of the gun. Is one supposed to remove the rear sight and use that as the second dove-tail or is there a scope mount made to attach to only one dovetail?

As always, comments, questions and criticisms always welcome.

Regards,

Carpediem


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. The front of my gun jumped out of my hand. To hang on to the rifle, I will have to grip the barrels because the forearm is so slender.


Wrapping your fingers around the barrels is the proper way to shoot a double, doing so will prevent it coming out of your hand and will reduce muzzle rise.
 
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Thanks Cane Rat:

I did not know that. As I am still relatively new to the double rifle world, I assumed you held the forend the same way you did on a bolt action rifle.

Wrapping my hand and fingers around the forearm of the Merkel will result in my fingers wrapping around the barrels. I would have assumed this incorrect and would adversely affect the harmonics of the gun.

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Carpediem


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Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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Thanks Cane Rat:

I did not know that. As I am still relatively new to the double rifle world, I assumed you held the forend the same way you did on a bolt action rifle.

Wrapping my hand and fingers around the forearm of the Merkel will result in my fingers wrapping around the barrels. I would have assumed this incorrect and would adversely affect the harmonics of the gun.

Regards,

Carpediem


It may affect harmonics but with a double I would guess it would be impossible to tell as they operate on a different level of accuracy than, say bolt guns. Wrapping your fingers around the barrels will make it MUCH easier to shoot and much more controllable and when you move into the larger chamberings they are nearly impossible to shoot without doing so. Also, wrapping your fingers around the barrels versus attempting to hold the forearm will prevent a lot of strain from being put on the forearm and possibly loosening it over time. Glad I could be of help and good luck. tu2
 
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Carpe, I see that you are new. First off, no one ever goes to the cabin for 4 days with only 8 rounds loaded up. What are you going to do if the SHTF? You keep doing this and you will probably be booted off this website!
Secondly, now that you have a double with a splinter forend you need the following:
Deerstalker hat
Norfolk jacket.
NOW you can look the part. After that you can hire some beaters (or get your wife and kids to do the job).
Buy some factory ammo. Norma makes some good stuff. Buy some Hornady or Nosler seconds and just reload away. More advice later!
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A double is not a bolt gun. Entirely different critters. Good luck!


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yuck animal

Guys, Guys, go easy on me sofa:

you need to read some of my previous posts. No kids, the wife shoots most of the game these days BOOM. I am just along to gut, pull the game out of the bush and mix drinks after the days hunt is over beer. Oh yeah, and clean her guns nilly.

I had no time to load any ammo for the gun. I took along what I had left over from shooting the Antonio Zoli side by side double in 9.3x74R.

I never go to the cabin with only eight rounds Eeker. That is what I had for the double. I can't dislose how much 12 guage buck shot and slug ammo goes with me, as well as 22LR, and all the other ammo and guns I take. I didn't want to bore you with the other guns, as they weren't doubles shocker.

Regards,

Carpediem


No politician who supports gun control should recieve armed protection paid for by those he is trying to disarm.

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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dancingBoy, did I have fun this weekend:

My wife and I went up to the cabin this past weekend for four days and I took the new Merkel along with eight rounds loaded up.

Since I did not have a load worked up for the rifle with the 232 grain Norma Vulcans, I grabbed what was loaded; which was eight rounds with a 250 grain Nosler Accubond.

All eight rounds had 56.5 grains of IMR 4064 powder but four rounds were with WLR primers and the other four were WLR Magnum primers.

Since this was not the factory load I was not expecting much. I just wanted to try the rifle for fit, face pounding, felt recoil, etc. Ok, I just wanted to shoot the gun.

I set up two targets at 50 metres, went back to my standing rest and fired rounds off two at a time; right barrel, right target, left barrel, left target, six to eight seconds apart.

The group with the rounds using WLR primers were 3.5 inches vertical by 1.5 inches horizontal. The group with the WLR Magnum primers were 2.5 inches vertical by .5 inches horizontal. I would say not bad for a cartridge with the wrong projectile weight and a random load of powder and primer. I can't wait to see what it will do with the proper load.

I found the front blade sight to be a bit too wide for my taste and I will scope the rifle, as there is one dove tail already cut in the rifle.

Recoil is what I would consider stout however, there was no jarring cheek-slap. The front of my gun jumped out of my hand. To hang on to the rifle, I will have to grip the barrels because the forearm is so slender. I will have a recoil pad installed in place of the plastic butt plate.

Overall, I am in love. She is a keeper. I can hardly wait to take her deer and moose hunting this year.

As I want to mount a scope on the rifle, most likely a Leupold 1-4x20, what kind of a quick detachable scope mount would be available for this rifle? I am a bit confused as to only one dove-tail being cut into the rear of the gun. Is one supposed to remove the rear sight and use that as the second dove-tail or is there a scope mount made to attach to only one dovetail?

As always, comments, questions and criticisms always welcome.

Regards,

Carpediem



This gun is pre-set for a Recknagel swing-out mount and rings. If you are in the US, PM me and I can get this gun set up for you. If you're in Canada, not sure what your options are, since there is no certified Merkel gunsmith up there. I could ship you the mounts/rings, but it really requires someone familiar with these mounts to do the job right.

DO NOT, try to install something other than a Recknagel mount, you'll ruin the gun.

Hope this helps.

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Have you called Tony at Tradex, where you bought the rifle, and asked him about the scope base?
 
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Splinter forend is much preferable IMHO, but you've got to do the Michael Jackson thing and start wearing one glove -- if you take more than 8 rounds that is/.
 
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Going to the cabin again this weekend. I can assure all I will be taking more than eight rounds this time. As I am headed back up to camp for a two week rotation, I intend to have a real blast this weekend.

Ron:

To be honest, I never thought of calling Tony. I will do that in the a.m. Thanks.

Regards,

carpediem


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Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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Lavaca:

I love the splinter forend. I just have to learn to hold onto it. Geting out of the bolt action rifle hold may take some time.

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Carpediem


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Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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In a minute or two I'll be in my office and have access to my Merkel 141(e) with scope. I'll take a couple of pictures of it and the method of installation/removal.

I do suggest that you have a Merkel expert install it, though.


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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You keep a double rifle in your office? Loaded?!!!
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Here are three pictures of the Merkel 141(e) system.

The slot in the rib is removed and a female recepticle for the forward ring is installed. To mount the scope, the forward mount is inserted at 90 degrees to the barrel and then turned clockwise until the rear ring snuggs against a "stop" on the rear mount (which, hopefully you can see is attached to the rib with small Allen or torx screws which, I guess, a gunsmith drills and taps?).

The rear mount has a locking device that one then twists finger-tight, firmly holding the scope in place and to my experience, always returns perfectly to zero.

The dang system is fool proof to my simple mind.

Sorry about the quality of the pictures, but I took them with my cell phone.

And, Peter, of course I have a loaded double at my office, along with a couple of claymores and an MG-42. Doesn't everybody?

BTW, my rifle has no noticeable change of regulation whether or no the scope is used, at least up to 50 yards for the irons. Since with 64 year-old eyes, that is about my max effective distance to hit a baseball without glass, I'm satisfied.







JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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Judge G:

Thank you for the pics. A picture is worth a thousand words.

My rifle has the same rear base but, there is no front base. I am obviously going to have to have that one installed.

We don't seem to have a Mekerl rep or dealer here in Canada so I am assuming I will have to ship it State-side to get the work done.

What make are the bases and rings; Recknagel, EAW?

Thanks again for the pics,


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Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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JudgeG:

As an aside, did you have a recoil pad put on or are you shooting it with the provided butt plate?

Are you using the 232 grain bullet the gun was regulated for or have you developed your own load?

Kind regards,

Carpediem


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Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!"

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That sure LOOKS like Recknagel's set-up to me. NECG carry a lot of their stuff and are great to deal with. Google up their web site. I've bought quite a few sights, etc from them. Shipping has been prompt and no problem shipping to Canada. Any CAPABLE gunsmith can install this set-up for you. Just make sure that he has experience with doubles. Some smiths who are geniuses with bolt guns have no clue when it comes to doubles.
 
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I used to shoot Barnes 250 grain X bullets and I've taken buffalo, zebra, kudu, etc. with great results.

The gun originally came regulated with 232 grain Vulcan ammo and I shot some deer with that, no problem.

I'm contemplating re-regulating it with the new factory Federal 286 grain solids.

I've been fortunate so far to be able to use the regulation adjustments and get the gun to shoot very well (so long as I let the rifle entirely cool after a right and a left, of course).

The mount came installed from the factory and I don't know the maker. As to the butt, it is as I received it from the distributor with a thin black rubber pad that I find adequete, particularly since the length of pull suits me.


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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