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I am getting ready to commission another double rifle. The only detail that remains is caliber. I have a .470 NE and enjoy it very much but I want something smaller for it's companion. What I really want is a .375 Flanged Magnum with a QR scope. I am thinking that this rifle will be a plains game rifle and a DG back up if the .470 goes tits up. I was all set to go on the .375 and then the dreaded brass availability issue struck me. Brass is a major problem with the flanged magnum. The other thing that bothers me a bit is that the .375 Flanged mag puts out about 3500 Ft Lbs at the muzzle which makes it non DG legal in several countries. So I go back to the .450-400 it seems to solve all issues with legality. It is easy feed and it should be fine in the intended role. Simply put it makes more sense. But I really want a .375 Flanged mag. What say you? | ||
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I'd go with the belted, rimless "H&H" version and not look back. And I would have it regulated with Federal ammo, which is the most common I've seen in Zim. BTW, I did this. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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I have a 470NE and dream of one day having 375 Flanged, brass will be available forever........., somewhere  Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
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Norma is producing 375 Flanged Magnum, so go for it! | |||
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I think a 470 and a 375 Flanged Magnum scoped would be an ideal combination. Classic double calibers. | |||
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Hornady ammo in 450-400 for under 80 bucks!!! JD DRSS 9.3X74 tika 512 9.3X74 SXS Merkel 140 in 470 Nitro | |||
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I am more than willing to bet that Holland and Holland has made more 375H&H double rifles than Flanged double rifles. I'll even bet that they made five times the number. Doesn't that make the 375H&H the classic double rifle cartridge amounst the two?  Any takers on, say, a bottle of McCallan bet? JPK Free 500grains | |||
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As much as I like the 450/400, IF the 470 was going to be my big gun, they I would rather have a 375 or a 9,3x74R scoped Double as my plains game DG back up gun. I use a 9,3x74R and feel that anything I could do with a 375 H&H or Flanged I HAVE done with the 9,3x74R. And the 9,3 is slimmer trimmer and lighter to boot. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I'd go with the 375 Flanged - I agree with 470Evans, this seems the ideal combination. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Thanks for the input. This is a very fun "problem" to have.  I am leaning heavily towards the .375 Flanged. I've thought of the H&H and the 9.3 but neither seem to command as high a resale premium as the Flanged. Isn't rationalization a great thing?! | |||
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Horneber brass is available for .375 Flanged for $53.00/20. While not exactly cheap, it is still available. Loaded ammo is available from Kynoch, WR, and Norma. There is a much wider selection of 375 bullets available than for the .400. Were I to have just one DR and had to choose between the 450/400 and the 375, I would pick the former. To match with the 470, I'd take the 375 hands down. | |||
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+1 Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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+2 Although for me the 375 is a lot more nostalgic caliber so that would be my choice over the 9.3 "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Another vote for the 375 Flanged Magnum with 26" barrels and QR scope mounts.....with a Loopie 1.25x5.5 with a German #4 reticle and 300 gr softs and solids loaded to about 2350 fps....with upgraded wood. I think that covers it..... Perfect companion to the 470. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by surestrike: .... I've thought of the H&H and the 9.3 but neither seem to command as high a resale premium as the Flanged...../QUOTE] But they typically cost a lot less on the front end, particularly the 9.3.... Like you said.... Nice problem  DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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I say order the caliber you want….if you don’t I expect you will regret it. In the time it takes to have the rifle built I have no doubt that you will be able to find the brass. Yes it may cost more however in the scope of things, the brass is a small part of the price of a double. BTW I think a 375 would be cool! ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Man I love these discussions,buy the 375 Flanged now for sure because it does sound cool,but I can almost bet that there will be a 450-400 sooner or later in your safe,it's fun justifying why you need another gun isn't it? DRSS | |||
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So Surestrike, since when do you give a fuck what anyone else thinks???  Dirk Schimmel D Schimmel LLC Dirk@DoubleRifles.Us 1-307-257-9447 Double rifles make Africa safe enough for bolt guns! | |||
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Ether round is good but the 450/400 is a good one gun compromise, where as a 375 and 470 would make a super combo. I would not worry if the 375flanged doesn't quite reach the required energy level by a tad. | |||
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Down boy, Don't make me take your string and chalk away... Again! | |||
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Yes sir you are talking my language now..... | |||
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Go with the 375 flg.,just buy a life time supply of brass when you can find it. I bought 600 cases of old bell brass and 400 of horn. I just load and go. As of last week Huntingtons still had about 150 cases of Hornberger brass in the close out bin. They said no more until the exchange rate changes. | |||
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I have owned and used both a 375 H&H Heym double and a chapuis 9.3x74R and would go with the 9.3 anytime. That of course is not the question. It's what YOU want that counts so don't evade the question just do it. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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I have a beautiful Searcy 375 Flanged that I have scoped with a 1x6 Z6I EE Swarofski I have been trying to obtain brass since I bought the gun, but Jamison has promised a run since January, but have not done so as yet. The 450/400 3" is the perfect caliber for a variety of game taking and is on my list in the future. Gives a perfect battery for the 375 Flanged, the 450/400 and the 500 NE. Gives a nice excuse to have both. | |||
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Surestrike, If you go with 375, what bullet weight would you have it regulated to? | |||
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Dirk, I got to thinking... Isn't the 9.3X74 darn near as old or maybe slightly older than the H&H? Ballistically, the 9.3 and flanged .375 are nearly identical, the 9.3 makes up into a much trimmer, lighter rifle, and new, very high quality brass is easy to find. I guess that's what got me leaning toward the 9.3 over the .375. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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True Dave but the flanged 375 smells of Africa while the 9.3x74R is a European favorite, thus IMO the nostalgia of the 375 rules over the 9.3. I pick up a 9.3 calibered rifle and I'm thinking of moose in Norway or Russian boar, I pick up a rifle chambered in 375 flanged and I'm thinking of lion, buff, and leopard. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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surestrike, Have you selected what make & model of rifle you are going with yet? DRSS | |||
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dirk My 9,3x74R Double rifle smells a LOT like Africa.  DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Michigan, I'll regulate it with .300 gr bullets. | |||
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Bill, The rifle will be a custom gun from a small independent maker. If you'd like details please PM me and I'll give them to you. | |||
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The brass isn't impossible to find. I just posted some for sale here on AR a couple weeks ago. It sold without problems, so just be on the lookout for when the stuff comes up for sale. I've had good success with my supply of BeLL brass and it was much cheaper than the Horneber brass. | |||
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I'd pick 375 Flanged Mag and have that rifle weighing 9lbs 4oz or less unloaded and without a scope. If it's going to wear a scope full time it's unscoped, unloaded weight would be a full pound less. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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If you really like your .470, why not get a second set of barrels in .375 Flanged? It will all fit in one nicely fitted case. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Balance will be off, proportions, etc. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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I say this for a two double rifle battery: 1. 500 Nitro Express 2. .500/.416 Nitro Express The .450/.400 is preferred over the .375 Flanged, but, you want the .375 then buy Horneber brass a go for it. The .470 lags behind the .500 as a stopper and the .375 can't compete with the .416 as general purpose. | |||
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