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27 March 2007, 02:33
Hog KillerShe's Here!
quote:
Originally posted by Brent:
Does anyone know how that metal coloring was supposed to be done?
Brent
Bone, leather, charcoal, and enough heat.
Keith
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27 March 2007, 04:47
CrazyhorseconsultingReally excellent piece of gunsmith art. Congratulations on such a fine piece of equipment.
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27 March 2007, 17:10
Brentquote:
Originally posted by Hog Killer:
quote:
Originally posted by Brent:
Does anyone know how that metal coloring was supposed to be done?
Brent
Bone, leather, charcoal, and enough heat.
Keith
I don't think so.
Brent
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28 March 2007, 19:48
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Brent:
quote:
Originally posted by Hog Killer:
quote:
Originally posted by Brent:
Does anyone know how that metal coloring was supposed to be done?
Brent
Bone, leather, charcoal, and enough heat.
Keith
I don't think so.
Brent
Brent, the stripped action is wrapped in a jacket containing bone shrds, or heavy leather, and placed in a furnace, and baked till the bone and jacket is burned away. Each seperate bone shard causeing a discoloration of the mettle surface, and the action is allowed to cool in the furnace very slowly. This was not done to color the steel, but to harden the steel surface. The color was simply a by-product. The action is then cleaned, and varnished. It is not a good idea to have an action re-colored because this sometimes causeing warping of the steel, and the fit is destroyed!
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28 March 2007, 20:07
Brentquote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
Brent, the stripped action is wrapped in a jacket containing bone shrds, or heavy leather, and placed in a furnace, and baked till the bone and jacket is burned away. Each seperate bone shard causeing a discoloration of the mettle surface, and the action is allowed to cool in the furnace very slowly. This was not done to color the steel, but to harden the steel surface. The color was simply a by-product. The action is then cleaned, and varnished. It is not a good idea to have an action re-colored because this sometimes causeing warping of the steel, and the fit is destroyed!
Mac, I'm no expert on color casing though I own more color cased guns that I can count. But I can, for sure, tell you that this was not charcoal/bone/leather case colored. That is why I asked in the first place.
Further, I can assure you that bone/charcoal/leather case colors are NOT slowly cooled. They are quenched and the method of means of that quench is of some relevance, but the quench always occurs. If it is cooled slowly, you will simply anneal the surface.
After asking around, it appears that this is cyanide coloring which is, according to some folks that know a lot more than you or I, common in some european makers.
It is a pretty rifle to be sure.
Brent
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29 March 2007, 00:24
N E 450 No2Several different "materials" can be used to Color case harden steel, their use is to provide carbon for the hardening process.
Different materials provide different colors to the steel. Also how it is quenched will affect the pattern on the steel.
Sometimes even bubbles are in the quench.
Bone, leather, horse hoves, charcoal, and cyanide are all used, as well as probably some others.
Murray state college in Oklahoma has a Color Case Hardening course.
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29 March 2007, 00:32
BrentI believe cyanide coloring is completely different than bone/etc case coloring.
Brent
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29 March 2007, 01:55
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Brent:
quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
Brent, the stripped action is wrapped in a jacket containing bone shrds, or heavy leather, and placed in a furnace, and baked till the bone and jacket is burned away. Each seperate bone shard causeing a discoloration of the mettle surface, and the action is allowed to cool in the furnace very slowly. This was not done to color the steel, but to harden the steel surface. The color was simply a by-product. The action is then cleaned, and varnished. It is not a good idea to have an action re-colored because this sometimes causeing warping of the steel, and the fit is destroyed!
Mac, I'm no expert on color casing though I own more color cased guns that I can count. But I can, for sure, tell you that this was not charcoal/bone/leather case colored. That is why I asked in the first place.
Further, I can assure you that bone/charcoal/leather case colors are NOT slowly cooled. They are quenched and the method of means of that quench is of some relevance, but the quench always occurs. If it is cooled slowly, you will simply anneal the surface.
After asking around, it appears that this is cyanide coloring which is, according to some folks that know a lot more than you or I, common in some european makers.
It is a pretty rifle to be sure.
Brent
Noone is too old to learn it seems!
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01 April 2007, 18:04
ROSCOERusty,
How does she shoot??????
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01 April 2007, 19:27
RustyDon't know..We had our usual Spring Monsoon go through Saturday and I dont' know if I can get to the range today.
As soon as I do, I'll let ya know!
Rusty
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02 April 2007, 03:04
jimatcati'm still dissapointed at not being able to shoot/meet you guys in houston yesterday.... the sun shined today tho... i took my .375 h&h and my .458 #1 and burned some powder....30 rounds worth....then shot my mini 30 75 times, and a .22 colt pistol 200... the .38 super got 16 rounds, the 2 45 colts got 100 rounds... i had the range pretty much to myself and shot the .375 and .458 from 10-15 yds....the rest at 25 yds....i think the seagulls will have an earache....i tried....
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03 April 2007, 08:23
jeffeossoWOW and very nice!!
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08 April 2007, 13:25
KatteRusty
She's looking good! Now you have the right combination for Africa!Send you a PM.
Happy Hunting
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