I hate cigarettes

Mind if I smoke??? Do you mind if I Fart??? or Do you mind if I throw up???
You smoke and I'll do one of the other!!!

The ashes we must breath in from those smoking in cars in front of us and then letting their ashes go flying out the window are harmful.[

I don't what to breathe in their mess.

Nothing more self-rightous than a bunch of non-smokers/reformed smokers. And before you break out the branding irons and flails, I don't smoke. And the concept of being harmed by someone flicking ashes out of their car window is one of the strangest (read asinine) I've heard in a while.

Back in the day, some 30 or so years ago, I could and did smoke in my office. I smoked a pipe. We smoked in meetings etc. A few people would stand outside my office and talk to me. My boss, who also smoked a pipe once said: "Every time I come across an avid antismoker, it makes me want to light up"!
I have never smoked cigarettes but still smoke the occasional cigar and pipe.
Peter.

A good Cuban cigar is hard to beat for sheer pleasure...

I admire the zeal with which anti-smokers apply their tirades. Same basic mindset as anti-hunters.

About the same level of intolerance.

And intellect.

As libertarian, I really don't care or mind if you smoke, but as a libertarian, I do mind if you infringe my privilege not to....

Now, if you bring dangerous/mind altering drugs into the picture, I reject the idea of liberty there-way too much unwanted interference to those who do not want to be affected by out of their mind idiots legally running wild on the citizenry- but I am fine with it as long as I can lawfully stick a 22 bullet in their ear if they harm me or mine! Alcohol, fits in that equation in my reasoning too, BTW.

Light 'em up!

Its been proven that second hand smoke is nearly as dangerous and will eventually kill you as if you were smoking the cig yourself. No comparison whatsoever to anti-hunters...unless your bullet endangers them as with second hand smoke. I never smoked and if you are smoking within my breathing space you are endangering me willfully....simple as that.

Agreed Woodrow. No comparison between anti hunting and anti smoking.
Peter.

walk away...

They are the same people.

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
Its been proven that second hand smoke is nearly as dangerous and will eventually kill you as if you were smoking the cig yourself. No comparison whatsoever to anti-hunters...unless your bullet endangers them as with second hand smoke. I never smoked and if you are smoking within my breathing space you are endangering me willfully....simple as that.

There is absolutely no "Proof" of this statement. Just another piece of drivel repeated so many times that good people have come to believe it. It is amazing how many of these liberal agenda statements become accepted, simply by repeating them over and over again in the media.
Try and find the "study" that shows this before you respond. It is totally bogus.

BTW, I am not a smoker and do not like being around those who do. But I know that a wiff of cigarette smoke is no more likely to harm me than smoke from the campfire or the smell of diesel exhaust.
Bill

I thought the myth of second hand smoke had pretty well dissipated (pun intended) although there was a lot of money made from the chicken littles and the grants while it was going around. I guess the next big thing will be ashes flicked from car windows. Maybe you can get hillary or even rosy on board. barry would be a bad choice since he smokes. And sometimes cigarettes.

People have the right to choose to smoke or not smoke just as it is my choice not to allow it around me or my family.

At my part time job I have no choice but to have to work around smokers. I find it disgusting.

But if it is not there, if you decide to smoke either you leave or I leave.

I lost my dad when he was 46 because of his smoking He made the wrong choice since he was 14 and it took him away from us.

Strong feelings on this subject that no one is going to change.

interesting that the word "Choice" is about tobacco products, but "Right" is about firearms ownership. We used to have the "Right" to smoke.

If Congress can tax tobacco products as a punitive measure under the guise of helping treat smokers illnesses; what is to keep them from taxing firearms the same level to pay victims of terrorist shootings?
They have more of a claim than someone who made the choice to smoke.

Tax the manufacturers, but continue to pay crop subsidies to the farmers who grow the deadly weed.

Actually comparing smoking and the right to bear arms is ridiculous to me.

Done with this issue it is time to move on

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
interesting that the word "Choice" is about tobacco products, but "Right" is about firearms ownership. We used to have the "Right" to smoke.

If Congress can tax tobacco products as a punitive measure under the guise of helping treat smokers illnesses; what is to keep them from taxing firearms the same level to pay victims of terrorist shootings?
They have more of a claim than someone who made the choice to smoke.

Tax the manufacturers, but continue to pay crop subsidies to the farmers who grow the deadly weed.

social engineering is social engineering...

Why there is smoking inside pubs prohibited? I can't simply understand that.

For the first, it is the owner's choice to have smoking or non smoking pub. For the second, nobody force non smoking employers to work in smoking pub and nobody force smoking employers to work in non smoking pub. And for the third: Nobody force customers to visit smoking or non smoking pubs.

Now, in USA and in a lot of European countries, you are forced to visit only non smoking restaurants.

Why the hell you don't prohibit drinking alcohol in pubs or eat fatty, salty or sweet dishes? That harm and kills more people than smoking . . .

Jiri

you can smoke here in the US in bars (pubs).

If you believe there is a world government taking shape, basically by socialists, the goal is to minimize or eliminate personal freedoms. Brexit has them scared to death in Europe.

The major obstacle in the US is firearms ownership. The belief that you would give your life for what you believe in is a scary notion to governments.

That is why ISIS worries politicians. Someone who is willing to die for their beliefs...

Idaho Sharpshooter:

Have been in Oregon/Portland area, Texas/Austin, California/San Diego, North Carolina/Charlotte, Tennessee/Memphis and only what I found "smoking inside" was cigar shop in Austin. On other places, there was smoking possible only "out of building".

(I prefer non smoking pubs/restaurants, but it is MY CHOICE. Now, they want to prohibit smoking inside in ALL pubs and restaurants here in Czech Republic).

Another STUPID socialistic law they want to set here (already in Germany etc.) is that you HAVE to close your shop on some public holidays. Their "reason" is to protect employers (allow them to enjoy Christmas and what ever.). They forget to close also police, fire departments, hospitals, power plants, water supply, military . . .


Jiri

In Idaho only if there is not a restaurant in with the bar.

13 states do not allow any smoking in a bar.

I will let you look up which states on your own, have fun.

Damn I got drawn back into this bullshit!! Will I ever learn!

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
you can smoke here in the US in bars (pubs).

If you believe there is a world government taking shape, basically by socialists, the goal is to minimize or eliminate personal freedoms. Brexit has them scared to death in Europe.

The major obstacle in the US is firearms ownership. The belief that you would give your life for what you believe in is a scary notion to governments.

That is why ISIS worries politicians. Someone who is willing to die for their beliefs...

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
interesting that the word "Choice" is about tobacco products, but "Right" is about firearms ownership. We used to have the "Right" to smoke.

If Congress can tax tobacco products as a punitive measure under the guise of helping treat smokers illnesses; what is to keep them from taxing firearms the same level to pay victims of terrorist shootings?
They have more of a claim than someone who made the choice to smoke.

Tax the manufacturers, but continue to pay crop subsidies to the farmers who grow the deadly weed.

The liberals are pushing very hard to allow funding the CDC to study "gun violence" as a health hazard. As soon as they spend millions of tax payer dollars justifying the connection they will tax the crap out of guns and or ammo just like cigarettes. It's the progressive's game plan I assure you.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:

I admire the zeal with which anti-smokers apply their tirades. Same basic mindset as anti-hunters.

About the same level of intolerance.

Same thing happens when lapsed Baptists come back to their faith!

My father smoked since the age of 13 and up to 35. During the war he was drafted into the army, became an officer and served in fighter aviation regiment. The commander of the regiment one day decided to quit and issued an order for the headquarters to all officers also stopped Smoking. Not to seduce. Two weeks later, the Colonel broke down and smoked again. Then the staff officers formed a conspiracy and decided that no one smokes. After that, the Colonel smoked - the only in headquarters - and suffered mentally, feeling weak. The father then not smoked until the end of life - 83.

Back in the early 50's when I was a kid my relatives smoked in my mother's house as guests for a holiday dinner. She had ash trays for them.

It stunk.

What a dirty thing to do in somebodies house.

Back in the 50's, Everybody smoked. I can't remember a home that didn't have ash trays out. And since everybody smoked, they didn't realize that the homes smelled bad.

I remember ash trays full of butts in every car and even on airplanes.

I found this tidbit. It wasn't really so long ago:

1979: Cigars and Pipes banned on aircraft
1988: Smoking banned on US Domestic flights under 2 hours
1990: Smoking banned on US Domestic flights under 6 hours
1998: Smoking banned on all US Domestic flights
2000: Federal law introduced banning smoking on all flights by US airlines

another example of the weak imposing social engineering upon free choice.

Do any of you here actually believe their program is only about smoking? This is oppression in an insidious incremental form...

I smoked for many years;quit when I went into hospital for detached retina surgery + the next bed had some fellow with tubes going in + out.That was enough.Had a friend that ran away from home at 15 yrs. to join WW2. Made a career in Artillery.Recently he went to the VA to see about getting hearing aids. The doc tells him,"I see here that you have been smoking 3 packs of Salem's a day since 1943;hell son,you don't need hearing aids,you're dead.'He's not of course,some make it better than others.We all used to smoke in the 60's.Today there is no reason to avoid the truth of the health hazard.