Bill is now 81 and going away for 3-10 years. This would make him at least 84 when he gets out. He will then have to register as a sex offender. Is the fear that he might commit assault with a dead weapon?

he might not make it to even the end of his 3 years.

Guess I miss the point of prosecuting people when they are half dead and beyond caring.

Grizz

Grizzly, the word you are missing is "justice". That is probably why you see nothing wrong with pardoning Arpaio or Scooter Libby. It is about the victims, not some old has been. He may be beyond caring, but the message of justice may still be meaningful and resonate with others, although not perhaps you.
Peter.

Peter what you seem to be missing is that today we have a 'legal' system,not a justice system.There was no reason for those bitches to gloat over him being removed shackled.I have more to say on this issue as well of the state of our union ( r/e who cares,seems to be the the standard of the day.)

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
Peter what you seem to be missing is that today we have a 'legal' system,not a justice system.)

Norm After being involved in the system for decades I agree with you.

There has been a huge failure of the system.

At one time the LEO's had a lot of discretion on who to arrest and who to tell not to do it again.

At one time the DA's had lot of discretion on who to prosecute and who not to.

At one time the judges had a lot of discretion on what cases to throw out and what cases not to.

At one time we expected juries to decide guilty or innocent but if the law was reasonable in that case.

But we went totally the other way the cops are told always arrest, the DA's are too always prosecute. The judges to make sure it all comes together.

The juries are told only to convict or find innocent.

The safety valve of common sense have been slowly closing for decades and is mostly shut.

With only a few drops showing up now and then.

The mob rule of political correctness runs rampant.

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Peter what you seem to be missing is that today we have a 'legal' system,not a justice system

DAMN! No more lynchings??!! What is this world coming to? Oh for the good ol' days!

"There was no reason for those bitches to gloat over him being removed shackled."
What does that have to do with the judicial system?
Peter

"At one time the LEO's had a lot of discretion on who to arrest and who to tell not to do it again."

So, they arrested the black guys, and let the white guys off with a warning!

"At one time the DA's had lot of discretion on who to prosecute and who not to."
Still do.

"At one time the judges had a lot of discretion on what cases to throw out and what cases not to."

Oh? Shouldn't they look at what the law says or is that irrelevant?

"At one time we expected juries to decide guilty or innocent but if the law was reasonable in that case."

Oh? Juries decide whether the law is reasonable or not?

Peter

Not always,it still comes down to the judges discretion.

Let us not forget it is not always guilt or innocence but how good is the attorney vs the prosecutor, or in civil matters who hired the most convincing attorney.

This joke certainly has taken on some drift

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Oh? Juries decide whether the law is reasonable or not?

It is called jury nullification a fairly common concept.

And still valid but has been severely weaken in the last 100 years.

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It is called jury nullification a fairly common concept.

And still valid but has been severely weaken in the last 100 years.

Yup! To hell with the judges instructions, the defendant is white therefore he cannot possibly be guilty!

Common concept in America perhaps!

Peter.

O,K. here is a current case in point in my court. My wife was arrested foe a DWI last October.because the cop thought that she "looked drunk"+ arrested her with no test.They held her for 28 hrs. + did not allow her her heart or BP medicine. Damn near died in their gentle ministarations.When in their custody ,after 10 hrs, they drew blood. To the date of the trial,THEY COULD NOT DELIVER ANY BLOOD TESTS. Now one would think that aS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THERE IS NO CASE;RIGHT?wrong!Here's the kicker + take me at my word;had I not been there in the court room I wouuld not have believed it.But as God is my wittness this is what the judge said. Since the arresting officer said you looked drunk.then that is what I'm charging you with.Now you WILL admit to a DWI w/o no further enquires+ accecpt fines + 12 momths probation or I will give you 1 year in county + a $4000.00 fine.Did you hear what I just said?!!That is how its working in Williamson County Texas these days.More I could say + will in the future.

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.Now you WILL admit to a DWI w/o no further enquires+ accecpt fines + 12 momths probation or I will give you 1 year in county + a $4000.00 fine.Did you hear what I just said?!!That is how its working in Williamson County Texas these days.More I could say + will in the future.

I hope you have a good attorney plea NG and ask for a jury trial.

No,I thought I did have a good attorney;to the tune of 10K. Hell he represents Willie + a lot of other musicians here in the Austin area. Since she has retired from the stage + remembered her,he still cut her a deal for 10K instead of 15K.But at the sentencing he told us that is the best deal you're gonna get.TAKE IT. I have,naively I suppose grown up with the notion that there is real justice in our nation. But lately I have proved wrong. At least in Williamson County. It's really bad here;honestly,they just do what they want. And no Pdog,as I said the judge had her sign a waiver not to bring this up again. She has schirrosis of the liver,has not had a drink in 10 years,+ is almost 70 yrs old.We had her liver doctor write a letter that described the symptoms of a scirrosis victim + it matched exactly to her performance;but that was not admisable in court.As I said,this is Williamson County.A conviction with no proof of guilt.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
he might not make it to even the end of his 3 years.

this may not be the place to say this,but I feel sad bythis county.I have put central systems in damn near every home here,I have built ALL of the arts facades"along with the restoration of the 1909 Masonic Lodge building.Along with the replication of the weather vane at S.U.in copper, circa 1849, I feel a bit,what was that word I was looking for? Fucked,I think.

Maybe you should mention to the judge that further freebies to the county will stop unless he corrects this injustice.
Where's the appeal going to be filed? Next step up.

An old friend used to say:
"there's only one question to be answered in any legal case".
"Who is going to be the Fuckor and which is the Fuckee?" Once that's decided the case is over.

Good luck,
George

Woman judge BTW,but immaterial. The point here is that a sentence was passed with no proof of guilt.Also since it is several years later,they don't care about anything I did for the community in the past;+ that hurts too.They see it but have no idea of what it took to design + build.But I recall the statement in Paul Newman's movie "Roy Bean";.."If he was looking for justice,he came to the wrong place."