Hi All
Dont know which one of these to buy the M70 Coyote or the M70 Stealth 2, The stealth has a 26inch barrel and the coyote has a 24inch.Will be using it for long range varmints.

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Steve,

I would rethink the cartridge selection. The WSSM's may not be with us long and neither will the barrel on one either if you shoot it a lot.

Other than a new barrel chambered for another WSSM it's not going to be easy to fit one what with the magazine configuration.

I would use a 22-250 or my favorite the Swift for long range varmints in the .224 bore and if more range is needed then a 6mm.

Here the local Walmarts have been selling off the 223 WSSM ammo at $6 a box. I see that as the end of the line for the round.

I like new cartridges but I don't think that one is going to stick.

steve65,

I have the M70 Coyote in .223 WSSM. I prefer the feel(I hate “toy†stocks) and the 24" barrel is all the length you will need. As far as worrying about whether or not the .223 WSSM will be around very long, don't believe what the doubters are saying(they know not what they talk about). It has sold like hot cakes ever since it was introduced and is still selling that way today. Fast and deadly accurate is the best way to describe the new [U]King[/U] of the .224 factory centerfires. Lawdog

Steve-

Of the two rifles you are considering, I'd take the longest barrel I could get. All else being equal, I always pick the longer barrelled rifle.

If it's for long range varminting, that means it probably won't be carried much, or far, so the little extra weight won't hurt you.

You can also pick up a bit of "free" velocity, with the same loads, by using the longer tube.

I personally like long barrels on most everything. Lots of my so-called big game rifles carry 26" barrels, and just about all of my varmint and target rifles have at least 26" barrels, if not longer.

I'd get either rifle, as long as it was in 22.250!

With Brass prices of the WSSM ( Winchester Stupidly Short Magnum), go with a 22/250 and spend more money buying bullets over brass!

cheers
seafire

Ive already got a 22/250 so i dont need another so i think ill go for the M70 Stealth 2 just becouse it has a 26inch tube, Dont really care what its looks are as long as it shoots good like Lawdog_Gary says its the king of the factory .22 centrefires

Cheers

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I would rethink the cartridge selection. The WSSM's may not be with us long and neither will the barrel on one either if you shoot it a lot.

So tell us. How many rounds did you get from your barrel? Or is this some bullshit you read or heard?

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Originally posted by M16:

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I would rethink the cartridge selection. The WSSM's may not be with us long and neither will the barrel on one either if you shoot it a lot.

So tell us. How many rounds did you get from your barrel? Or is this some bullshit you read or heard?

Good morning. If you will grant the point that all the overbore .224's have a short barrel life then the WSSM version should too. Following this fact then one must choose either the conventional group of cartridges as mentioned or be stuck with the COL restrictions of the WSSM's action, magazine and bolt face for that matter.

Good luck with your .223 WSSM's. I am all for the new cartridge. After all it promises improved accuracy. What could be better than that?

M16,

There is a misunderstanding. If all of the overbore .224's have a similar barrel life then one is stuck with the WSSM's in a .223 WSSM action forever if it were rebarreled.

Good luck with your 223 WSSM's. They promise improved accuracy over my Swift. Is anyone ready to prove that?

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Originally posted by Savage99:
M16,

There is a misunderstanding. If all of the overbore .224's have a similar barrel life then one is stuck with the WSSM's in a .223 WSSM action forever if it were rebarreled.

Good luck with your 223 WSSM's. They promise improved accuracy over my Swift. Is anyone ready to prove that?

I own both .22-250 & a .220 Swift that are both retired because my .223 WSSM IS more accurate right out of the box(first three sight in shots went into a group that measured a hair over ¾†@ 100 yards and they have only improved with load work). I have had to do much more tinkering with them than the WSSM to get them to shoot anywhere near as well. Lawdog

The 223 WSSM barrel will last longer than any 22/250 or 220 Swift barrel!!! Chrome plating extends the life of the barrel to around double of a standard barrel. Every 223 and 243 WSSM ever shipped by Winchester has had a chrome lined barrel.

I was out shooting my 223 WSSM this weekend. It would be very hard to find a better long range varmint gun. Cartridges like the 204 may shoot flat, but will never have the energy the 223 WSSM will deliver at the longer ranges. With 55gr bullets, I cut a prarie dog in half at 300 yards. At the 250yrd type ranges I was constantly overshooting them as I needed to hold low. I also learned to not hold into the wind as much as I initially thought I would have to. I was also shooting a 223 Rem so I had a good side by side comparison, and at longer ranges, there is no comparison.

Aaron

For your information, about .204 not having the energy
I was out 3 weeks ago culling feral goats that were causing grass damage on a farm.
The longest shot I took was at 293yds, a heart shot , it jumped up into the air and droped STONE dead
Another day after rabbits, got one at 306yds, it was cut in 2 halfs, the back end of rabbit was blown 10 yds away from were it was shot
Magic caliber. www.204ruger.com

Hi guys!

I live in germany and would like to import three coyotes in 223 WSSM with leupold QL and zeiss conquest. Whats your oppinion of that gun and who knows what i need for buying it in the US. I have the german permits of course.

Did the 25 WSSM have chrome lined barrels also?

Safarischorsch,

The Win. M70 Coyote is a excellent rifle in any of the WSSM cartridges. Both of my M70 Coyotes(.223 & .25 WSSM) and their accuracy is above what I expected when I got them. Sight in group measured a bit over 3/4†on both and the groups have only gotten better with load work.

hvy barrel,

My M70 Coyote in .25 WSSM has a chrome lined barrel just like my .223 WSSM. Lawdog

Sorry Lawdog, the barrel may be shiny and nice, but it is not chrome plated. Only the 223 and 243 are chrome plated.

Aaron

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Originally posted by AaroninUtah:
Sorry Lawdog, the barrel may be shiny and nice, but it is not chrome plated. Only the 223 and 243 are chrome plated.

Aaron

I don't know who told you that. Call the good folks at Winchester at 1-800-333-3288 and ask them if all M70 Coyotes in WSSM calibers have chrome lined barrels. The answer is YES. Lawdog

I think the 223 WSSM was designed more as a coyote rifle and light deer rifle than a all day prairie dog duster.

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Originally posted by rickt300:
I think the 223 WSSM was designed more as a coyote rifle and light deer rifle than a all day prairie dog duster.

If one can use a .220 Swift or a .22-250 for an all day prairie dog buster then the .223 WSSM will work just as well, maybe even better. As a Coyote cartridge it isn't exactly “pelt friendlyâ€. Then again neither is the .220 Swift, .22-250 and even the .223 Remington. For called in Coyotes the .22 Hornet is much more “pelt friendlyâ€. Lawdog

It just seemed that a 22 centerfire with a fast twist would be better with heavier bullets. Here in Texas pelts aren't worth keeping anyway but the 22 centerfires are very popular with 60 grain and heavier bullets for deer. Then again the round was introduced with a deer recomended for light game such as deer. I know your feelings about the 22's on deer but they kill lots of deer.

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Originally posted by rickt300:
It just seemed that a 22 centerfire with a fast twist would be better with heavier bullets. Here in Texas pelts aren't worth keeping anyway but the 22 centerfires are very popular with 60 grain and heavier bullets for deer. Then again the round was introduced with a deer recomended for light game such as deer. I know your feelings about the 22's on deer but they kill lots of deer.

They wound lots of deer/Wild Boar too. Especially in the hands of inexperienced hunters that don't wait for the right angle/shot/distance. Although legal in California for the taking of big game, NO ONE is allowed to hunt on my property with anything less than a .243 Winchester and 100 gr. bullets. [U]It's one of the Golden Rules! He who has the gold makes the rules.[/U] Lawdog

Can't argue that they wound some game but so do the inexperienced that show up with surplus mausers and enfields. There is a magazine called Texas Trophy Hunters that came up with a round, a 22 on a 6MM Remington case, fast twist using bullets in the 70-80 grain range controlled expansion types pushed to 3500 fps and they have piled up an impressive number of deer with it in it's short life span. In my opinion they could have used the same weight and type bullets in the standard 6MM to get somewhat better results. Oddly I have made 1 shot kills with my 223 and 22-250 on every game animal shot with them but had some disapointing results with the 243. I take the same shots with the 22 centerfires as I will with the 243/6MM rounds which is broadside neck or behind the shoulder only.

Put the RIGHT bullet in the RIGHT spot and you will have a happy ending. Under sized caliber rifles can be used effectively, but he bullet has to hold up better than the average bullet.

Would I use a 270 on elk, yes, with a premium bullet. Would I use a 223 WSSM on deer, I have with a premium bullet. A premium bullet does not mean you can take a bad shot though. It still has to be placed correctly.

You can shoot the 223 WSSM on prarie dogs all day, but with performace comes maintance. You will have to clean the gun after 100 rnds or so (guns vary so could be more or less). The 223 Rem shooting the same bullet with half the powder can go much longer without cleaning. Personally, take both. The 223 will kill cleanly, but to have a memorable experience, use the 223 WSSM to see dogs fly.

Aaron

IMO the factory .223 WSSM rigs ought to be some of the finest 22 cal. long-range low volume varmint rigs going-- the reason?? They all come with a 10 twist barrel-- which means u can shoot all those nice 68-69 grainers, and out of that case should get u downrange performance on varmints just shy of those 22-243/6mm's, ESPECIALLY with Jimmy Knox's 65 gr. LD with a BC of .395. How's that for long-range 22 cal. factory rig performance? Run that combination thru your ballistics program sometime and see if it doesn't raise an eyebrow or 2. Of course varminting hinges on terminal effect, which is always a big question when u try to apply match bullets in the hunting fields. But then again-- no guts, no glory.