Is that black crud my nice barrel that was eaten away? Have I ruined it?

However, it will not erode your barrel. The black crud may be powder fouling, or one of your o-rings may have deteriorated.

Contact Outers directly and ask their Technical Assistance staff for help.

George

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I think the other guys here are right. You're probably OK. It's hard to diagnose a situation like this long distance & sight unseen, but I'd tend to think you're alright.

Run a fairly snug patch down the bore. See if the bore feels "rough", or if it "snags" the patch at all.

Sounds like a sweet little rifle. An older Ruger in a great caliber.

Let us know how it turns out.

I notice the "1 post" by your name. Welcome to the forum!

Good luck
Whales

Go out in your garage and get the rubbing coupound. Wrap some tough cloth on a worn out brush, coat and scrub following the rifling. Do a couple times with fresh materials. Use chrome polish next. 1/2 hr max.

You can clean a bore whistle in less than five minutes mechanically. Anybody know how?

Sorry- but these foulouts are 'economy' tools. As in good for the economy-- money is moving and people are working making them. Otherwise there a newbie's joke.

[This message has been edited by whales (edited 12-19-2001).]

By the way, what's JB? And an "mt"? Empty cartridge?

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Originally posted by Allan D:
Well, a diversity of opinions, which is okay. At least there seems to be a concensus that I didn't hurt my barrel - a relief. I've grown very fond of this rifle over the years. I think I'll continue to use the least aggressive method that will get the job done.

By the way, what's JB? And an "mt"? Empty cartridge?

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JB bore paste. Right on for the mt-- keeps the junk out of your chamber.

Correct me if I'm wrong-- but if the electrode from the newbie fleecer contacts the barrel metal it can cause damage- right?

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Originally posted by HenryC470:
I like Sweets 7.62 a lot for copper. I've always been afraid of using an abrasive like JB bore paste. Are you all sure JB won't take steel off?

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I look at it this way... are you sure that Sweet's won't *eat* the metal?

(Not meant as an argument, simply a way of saying different guys believe different things, and swear against others. Myself, I've run both of them down my barrels & have seen no ill effect).

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broj

As to the question of if the electrode contacts the bore, Well..Should that happen, you have a MUCH better chance of ruining your machine than hurting the bore. Ever touch the positive to the negative of a car battery when you were working on it. Well all those little sparks are happening in you machine when that happens.

I had a moron employee do this across the output of a 12 volt, 16000 amp rectifier. You could hear the blast clear across the plant. and when the breaker tripped, a 200 amp, 3 phase 480, it tripped so hard that it ruined the breaker.

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Joe M

Best to keep an open mind. As previously mentioned, there are different ways to skin a cat. This particular cat happened to be lying around for 32 years and every method will be time consuming. And no the anode (rod) is not in contact with the bore. It has rubber doughnuts that keep it from touching. If it does touch the system shorts out and nothing happens. Most trips to the range results in approximately 5 minutes of cleaning to a perfectly clean bore.

The worst thing I have seen from a foul out is that the electrolyte will remove the bluing at the muzzle.

The humor I find in this yuppie toy is the need to chg out cleaner several times and wait days or a week to do the job. The foulest bore can be cleaned in less than five minutes- and most likely do that bore some good. A bore that fouls to that extent needs polishing out- and even maybe a good lapping. And you don't have to sweat either.

Thing is- the situation of a truly fouled bore neglected from cleaning is a seldom event- why spend the bucks for a one time shot? There's easier, faster, more effective means. Point is- you don't have to spend the money on this contraption to do the job.

I have a good friend who told me he could get his rifles perfectly clean without it. After his efforts, I put his rifle on the foul out for 15 minutes and found copper on the rod. Several hours later there was a lot more. He was convinced but he was open to some input.

Ruining a muzzle will destroy a hunting rifle just as it will a bench rest rifle.

You are more than welcome to the hand labor of cleaning rifles. I have better things to do.

Yes, I am wearing Nomex.

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You're over your head getting into an argument with a couple of these guys. One of them makes a living with guns. You don't survive long in the business if you're a hack. With all due respect to Carnivore (and I do appreciate making your list ), the two guys you are arguing with leave me way down the list. They've both proven themselves.

If you don't like the Foul-Out, don't use it. Like I said above, I've used JB & will continue to (when needed), but I also know that used improperly, it is a barrel killer.

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For the "way above" comment- another good chuckle. Thanks. Sounds like a wanger squirting contest- be sure to take accurate height measurements. Post as needed.

My point- minus my original sarcasism it this. You guys that don't know yet the difference- this tool is just another toy. Sure it works- but why bother? By the time you do all the messing around the job can be done with the usual methods. If the bore is so rough as to foul out to that extent, some polishing by an agent like JB can help that problem quite abit. Sure you could harm a bore with JB- but it'd take some real professional foolishness. Same can be said of the foulout, a brush, a cleaning rod, or shooting the gun too rapidly.