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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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Originally posted by eagle27:
I guarantee you there is absolutely nothing that will differentiate these two on field performance.

I think that this is a practical and true statement when discussing the 257Roberts and 260Rem. The question becomes, at what point are the differences "significant" for hunting? I would put the 6.5x55 Swede in the same rung with the "Bob" and the 260. There would not be any difference for a hunter.

However, I might start to question equivalence when it moves away in either direction, to a 243 smaller, 25-06 taller, or 7-08 bigger. I might start to question, but the difference in the field would still be hard to perceive.

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Originally posted by eagle27:
For variety of cheap but good factory ammo or more expensive specialist ammo, short action, can be had in almost any make of rifle and can be had in very light rifles at smart prices plus some makes have shorter stocks for youngsters, you just cannot compete with a 7mm-08.

No matter which way you twist and turn, the 260, 243, 257, 308 will not do anything the 7mm won't do as good as or better. Great range of bullets, 120gr good for lighter recoil and then move up to 140 and 150gr as the kid and game gets bigger.

Well, yes, I probably would choose a 7-08 over a Bob, Swede, or 260, but I don't think that it would make a significant difference. For a difference a person would end up going to a 'standard' action, to a 7x64 (280 Rem) or its twin, the 270 Win. Those would provide a little more distance and punch. But probably only 2-5% of the time. So for light and efficient in a small-packaged rifle. anything from a 243 to a 7-08 would be great and the Bob, Swede, and 260 sit right in the middle. But the 243 and 7-08 may be easier to find in the appropriate compact rifle.

Saeed posted the first quote not me

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Saeed posted the first quote not me

Thank you. You are completely correct. I've gone back and corrected the post to prevent further misattribution.

really guys half a millimeter wont mean squat i find this rather amusing same parent case

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Originally posted by bwananelson:
really guys half a millimeter wont mean squat i find this rather amusing same parent case

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257 Roberts vs 260 Rem for kids???

Half a millimeter is roughly .020"....the difference between the .260 and the .257 Roberts is much less than that.....it's .007"

The parent case of the .260 is the .308 Winchester while the parent case of the .257 Roberts is the 7X57 Mauser.

But I do agree....the difference is negligible.....and the whitetail that can tell the difference has never existed.

I'd go with the 257 Roberts, such a classic cartridge. Shooting well constructed 100g bullets (a CoreLokt would be fine) it's flat shooting and plenty of gun for deer, antelope and javelina.

I agree the end result is the same, and unobserved in the two on deer when diameter is discussed. You may see a difference down the road a couple of years on an elk hunt between the 120 grain 257 and the 140 grain .264.

When I spend the $$, on an elk hunt, I want more bullet weight than a 140 and more powder capacity. YMMV

I know, I know. A 260 will kill an elk.

I was thinking maybe a kid, like maybe a daughter or something might not want a cartridge bigger than her arm. Agreed there are dozens of better cartridges, but the 260 may save you from buying the kid a second rifle. They can do that when they get jobs.

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Originally posted by Quintus:
I was thinking maybe a kid, like maybe a daughter or something might not want a cartridge bigger than her arm. Agreed there are dozens of better cartridges, but the 260 may save you from buying the kid a second rifle. They can do that when they get jobs.

Uh, didn't everyone agree above that there is no practical difference between a 260 Rem and a 257 Roberts?

The kids who won't need a second rifle after the 260Rem won't need a second rifle if they have 'the Bob', either.

It takes a good eye to spot a 257Roberts case from a 260Ren case. Just keep bullet integrity and sectional density close and the two cartridges will do the same jobs.

Having had a few 12 to 16 year olds on hunts for hogs and white tails, JMO, but I would look at starting the kids out with a .270.

I am Not a fan of the .270. I do like the .257 Robert's. My wife has a Ruger Model 77 Ultra-Lite in .257 Robert's and it is a great gun.

One of the original selling points if I am not mistaken, for the .260 was that it is almost a .270. There is a wider range of factory loadings and from experience, .270 shells are about as hard to find as shells for a .22LR or a .30-06. Bullet weights from 130 to 150 grains are offered in factory loadings.

From experience, I have personally seen and hunted with youngsters in the 10 to 16 year age group that were both comfortable and accurate using a .270.

There is nothing wrong with a .257 Robert's/.243/.260 Rem. or 6.5x55 any will work for the species listed and the differences among the four are basically availability of factory loadings in places like Wally World and that is where I believe the .270 might hold an edge over the others.

IMO you cannot beat a 7mm08. Mild 120g BT or TTSX loads will wear out hogs and deer. 140 partitions and accubonds will wear out larger stuff. They can be easily loaded down to mild recoils for anyone.

A 260 Rem is un-doubtbly better--


Because I already have one--

6mm rem based on the 257 case I think, kills things recoil mild

Amazing that given the choice (choice?) between the Bob and 260 that people just keep stepping up to larger calibers.
The 257 Bob, in its original under-powered loads is easy to shoot and capable of killing the game mentioned with proper bullets placed well.

The 257 can be compared to the 260 only when modern high pressure loadings in the Bob are compared to the 260. For kids with little high powered rifle experience it would seem logical to use the Bob in its original loading to give both a milder recoil and muzzle report. You can buy ammo for the Bob in either loading and with bullets from 100 to 120 grains. I might be a little prejudiced because I own two Browning A-bolts in 257 but from the theory side and actually shooting the cartridge there is a marked difference between the original loads and the +P loads. My wife needs a light gun and she is sensitive to both recoil and muzzle blast so she uses the original loads in her gun and in my gun I use the +P loads. I hunt and she doesn't but both guns and loads (hers is a youth model) are extremely accurate and capable of dropping a deer or a pig at any reasonable range.

Since hand loads are out of the equation then the Roberts has the advantage of factory reduced loads. For the kids this will make the guns more fun to shoot and with less fear of recoil they are more likely to be accurate.

Of course 416Tanzan, you are correct. The topic is which is better, water from a glass or a cup? I just thought I'd add I like mine from a cup.

At this point I think we've covered it.
We all have favorites and dislikes, what we've proved here is that there are a variety of cartridges suited to the task, not all are right for everyone but out of all the pros listed for all the suggested cartridges there is something that works for everyone.

I have a love for .257 Roberts because my Great Grandma killed a pile of deer with one, others have similar "triggers" for other numbers.
Have fun and shoot!