Reviewing the cartridges, the 6.5 has the more "modern" shape, slightly straighter sides, sharper shoulder angle and longer neck; so theoretically it should be slightly more accurate; but given the similarities, is the reason it is considered more accurate more a matter of care taken with the cases and rifle? If the same attention to detail was given to both cases and rifle just how much difference in accuracy would be expected?

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If the same attention to detail was given to both cases and rifle just how much difference in accuracy would be expected?

Not enough to worry about.

Then it depends on if one wants the extra velocity that the 260 gives you.

The difference in rifle-to-rifle accuracy and shooter-to-shooter accuracy is many times that of the two cartridges.

The shorter case allows you to seat the bullets out farther and some people like that in a gas gun magazine. The standard 260 throat is far enough out that it's hard to seat all the way out and fit an AR magazine with some bullets. But the actual statistical accuracy difference (all else being equal) is probably a couple hundredths of an inch in group size. If you're a competitor that matters, even if it's only a psychological advantage.

A lot of competitors who shot the 260 before the Creedmoor came out have stayed with it because they don't see enough advantage to start all over. But if you're a more casual shooter or hunter that doesn't reload, the Creedmoor makes a lot of sense just due to the better availability and lower cost of ammo.

I was one of those that said, 6.5 Creed? What for?

My .260's were all built on actions long enough that seating wasn't an issue. Then I came across a Kimber 84M Hunter in 6.5 Creed at such a good price that I couldn't say no. So, I didn't.

Finally got everything I need to haul it out to the range to test it out soon. Hoping it will shoot!

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If the same attention to detail was given to both cases and rifle just how much difference in accuracy would be expected?

One would have to shoot thousands of rounds to know.....and as said before.....once you knew....was it worth it?

wow.. another 6.5 creed vs. 260 rem. thread.. there are tons of this info. on AR

for hunting loads, none
I have a buddy shooting 1000 yards matches with his 260 7 inch groups.

but ill stick with MY 260 rem.

Flip a coin. No winner or loser. Buy one of each like I did.

When it comes to reliable feeding, a 6.5X57 will beat them both, and the difference in performance with hand loads is minimal.

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Originally posted by xausa:
When it comes to reliable feeding, a 6.5X57 will beat them both, and the difference in performance with hand loads is minimal.

I have zero issues with my Creed feeding. Performance wise, my .260, 6.5x55, 6.5 Creed, and 6.5x57 are pretty much the same. Now, my 6.5x65, well, it feeds and outperforms them all.

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Originally posted by xausa:
When it comes to reliable feeding, a 6.5X57 will beat them both, and the difference in performance with hand loads is minimal.

Never experienced one feeding issue with any of my 6.5 Creeds or .260's

It's been pointed out in a variety of ways:

1). The 6.5 Creedmoor's shorter length allows getting up to the lands with long, pointy bullets in 2.8" magazines.

2). A short powder column coupled with a 30* shoulder is proven to be the most inherently accurate combination in case design.

3). In factory rifles, the 6.5 Creedmoor, unlike the 260, is twisted correctly (1-8") to best handle bullets over 130 gr's.

None of this may add up to squat in a hunting rifle, but having had the 260 with its slower twist and running up against OAL constraints in a 2.8" action, I'll take the Creedmoor everyday. It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete.

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Originally posted by Brad:
It's been pointed out in a variety of ways:

1). The 6.5 Creedmoor's shorter length allows getting up to the lands with long, pointy bullets in 2.8" magazines.

2). A short powder column coupled with a 30* shoulder is proven to be the most inherently accurate combination in case design.

3). In factory rifles, the 6.5 Creedmoor, unlike the 260, is twisted correctly (1-8") to best handle bullets over 130 gr's.

None of this may add up to squat in a hunting rifle, but having had the 260 with its slower twist and running up against OAL constraints in a 2.8" action, I'll take the Creedmoor everyday. It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete.

Well said, couldn't agree more.

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It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete

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the 260 rem. will never be obsolete.. LOL

The 6.5 Creedmoor is a more modern case design. But if you are a hunter and already own a .260 there is not enough advantage to the 6.5 creedmoor to justify buying a new rifle.

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a more modern case design. But if you are a hunter and already own a .260 there is not enough advantage to the 6.5 creedmoor to justify buying a new rifle.

That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard, who needs "justification" to buy a new rifle!

Snellstrom You are a crude, insulting individual.

Swampshooter, I think you missed the big smiley face. I'm sure he just meant that anything is justification for buying a new rifle. Heck, I bought them just because I found a box of ammo I liked.

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
Snellstrom You are a crude, insulting individual.

Yes I am all of that BUT I was being sarcastic...

An honest "need" is rarely a reason I buy a rifle it is by and large a want that I could easily do without.

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Originally posted by vines:

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It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete

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the 260 rem. will never be obsolete.. LOL

Get back to me in 20 years... it will be borderline obsolete. Its best use is for those with an obscene amount of 308 brass on hand who have a hankering for a SA 6.5mm...

The Creedmoor has already thrown it on the burn pile, the match is ready to be struck.

Both my savage model 11 260 rem rifles shoot little clover leafs at 100 yards bad under an inch at 300 yards with 155 grain lapua mega tip bullets .They shoot awesome in my ar10 260 Remington too .If you reload the 260 rem is better because you can make it from 243 win ,7mm08,308 bad 338'federal .You can make the 6.5 creedmore from 30 tc brass .Remington really blew it with the 260 those model 7 260 with pencil barrels were not super accurate .My cheap savage 260 rifles are awesome way beyond what I.thought they would be at $400 a awesome bargain !

I currently have over two dozen 260s and nine (9) 6.5 Creedmoors. If I was starting down the short action 6.5mm bore road today, I'd go with the 6.5 Creedmoor and not even consider the 260.

I think that 260 is a good cartridge, but the 1-9" ROT common to most factory built 260s was a sub-optimal choice when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor's 1-8" ROT.

I have been shooting the 260 since 10/97, when the first stainless Remington 7s hit the market, and have shot a variety of varmints and medium game since then with a variety of bullets in the 95 thru 140 range. The short action magazine box length doesn't become an issue, assuming that it actually is an issue for most hunters, until bullets get longer than +/-1.35".

I think that if I was looking for a short action 6.5mm bore rifle today, I'd probably buy a Weatherby Vanguard2 Weatherguard since they don't offer the 6.5 Creedmoor in stainless.

Oh, and for the majority of hunters who aren't reloaders, there are a lot more 6.5 Creedmoor factory load options then there are 260 factory load options and many Wal-Mart stores have 6.5 Creedmoor ammo in their ammo cases.

On a given 1,000 yard target range the .260 has the advantage because it shoots the same BC bullet faster. Magazine size is irrelevant because these are all single load, single shot events. Most of the long range shooters will put magazine blocks in their rifles.

In a hunting rifle? Its a wash....Arguing over the BC of spitzer shaped hunting bullets is mental self abuse. Inside of 300 yards BC has almost no practical merit because you are arguing over the differences of drop and wind measured in fractions of an inch. This is virtually meaningless in a hunting rifle. Over 300 yards you can discuss it. But for the vast majority of hunters its still meaningless and for the people who really are capable shots the difference shouldn't matter enough for you to worry about anyhow--if you know your load and your corrections for distance and wind!

The 6.5's main advantage is it fits in AR10 magazines and other magazines. The .260 shoots the same bullets faster but might not fit in your rifle magazine. That's the only real reason to chose one over the other and if you are a handloader the .260 really comes into its own.

Have to agree that BC means next to nothing inside 300 yards. Despite being spurned because of its "inefficient" shape, one of the most accurate bullets in my 6.5x55 is the Hornady 160 gr. RN. Its impact point is not much different than a 140 gr. spitzer and it will penetrate into next week. But I will readily admit it is not a 1,000 yard target bullet...

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Originally posted by Brad:
It's been pointed out in a variety of ways:

1). The 6.5 Creedmoor's shorter length allows getting up to the lands with long, pointy bullets in 2.8" magazines.

2). A short powder column coupled with a 30* shoulder is proven to be the most inherently accurate combination in case design.

3). In factory rifles, the 6.5 Creedmoor, unlike the 260, is twisted correctly (1-8") to best handle bullets over 130 gr's.

None of this may add up to squat in a hunting rifle, but having had the 260 with its slower twist and running up against OAL constraints in a 2.8" action, I'll take the Creedmoor everyday. It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete.

That sort of absolutism in annoying, even if I have been guilty in the past... For one single purpose maybe, certainly not across the board.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:

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Originally posted by Brad:
It's been pointed out in a variety of ways:

1). The 6.5 Creedmoor's shorter length allows getting up to the lands with long, pointy bullets in 2.8" magazines.

2). A short powder column coupled with a 30* shoulder is proven to be the most inherently accurate combination in case design.

3). In factory rifles, the 6.5 Creedmoor, unlike the 260, is twisted correctly (1-8") to best handle bullets over 130 gr's.

None of this may add up to squat in a hunting rifle, but having had the 260 with its slower twist and running up against OAL constraints in a 2.8" action, I'll take the Creedmoor everyday. It essentially makes the 260 Rem obsolete.

That sort of absolutism in annoying, even if I have been guilty in the past... For one single purpose maybe, certainly not across the board.

That's it exactly. +1.

It isn't the 6.5 Creed that's the problem. Like .243s and poodle dogs, it's the people that own them. And their constant nattering trying to convince THEMSELVES that they have caught lightning in a bottle.

I've puchased two 6.5 CM since September

One is a Ruger American Predator and with a top ported brake it is a joy to shoot LR steel and actualy see hits through the

The other rifle is a Kimber Hunter and I've only fired about 20 rounds through it.

Its only 5 pounds 10oz without mounts or scope so its a very light rifle

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
That sort of absolutism in annoying, even if I have been guilty in the past... For one single purpose maybe, certainly not across the board.

Absolutism?

I'd suggest remedial reading classes...

I like the idea of the shorter shoulder and longer neck of the Creedmoor and its suitability to longer bullets, and the brass that is of similar basic dimensions of "standard" cases. Ammo companies can have runs without changes to head dimensions from standard cases and reloaders can form cases for it with only forming dies. Moving the shoulder back, starting with a 260 Rem or such case, then fireforming it may be more involved. The only real advantage that I see for the 260 Rem is that 308, 7-08 and even 243 cases can easily be formed to it; whereas the 6.5 may take a little more doing. Anyone have experience forming 6.5 Creedmoor cases? I know I can just buy cases, but I said that about 375 RUM cases too.