Anybody have a feel for 250 Savage brass --- is it
going to be a seasonal run or is it a dead factory
cartridge now. Granted you can still make 250s out
of 22-250 Rem but you have to use the best brass
available like Lapua. Thoughts & Comments form
anyone please.

Tetonka
DRSS

It has been seasonal for several years. One of my suppliers lists Jamison and Winchester, but there is no availability.
I have used Win. 22-250 to make 250's in the past with no problem. Right now the only 22-250 brass that is in stock is Hornady. It is good brass and should form perfectly.

Here is some don,t know if it is sold?

http://forums.outdoorsdirector...avage-250-3000-brass

You could probably use 6.5 Creedmoor in a pinch, it's practically a 260 Savage. 6.5 to 6.35 should be easy enough with a bit of case trimming 1.920 to 1.912.

Put a add in for sale forum WTB I bet you well find some.

But it is a once in awhile production item.

Brass for a .308 or any of its derivatives is easily sized and trimmed to .250 Savage dimensions. I'd probably use .243 as the easiest and most available.

Before the .22-250 was a factory cartridge and the manufacturers made brass for it, RCBS sold a reforming die kit for making .22-250 out of .30-06. By comparison, going to .250 Savage from .308 is child's play.

In the early 60s we made 22-250 brass out of 250-3000 brass. You, of course are needing to go reverse.
Really the easiest way to go is expanding from 22 to 25 in two steps with a well lubed neck ID.
I would first use a .243 die to expand and knock out the primer if needed. Than just FL in a .250- 3000 die. Trim if needed, ID chamfer and you're home free. Use any available 22-250 brass.
roger

Thanks for all the help. Most available brass for the .250 is over $1.00 on the secondary market.
On this forum and others. The best available
22-250 brass now is Lapua from Midway at $100 for
100 new unprimed. OR $1.00 per each. So I will start with new unprimed Lapua and go from there.
Thanks again to all who responded.

Tetonka
DRSS

I just bought a new Savage 16 in 250 Savage. Talk about bad timing. I did already have 100 rounds of loaded Rem factory ammo and 44 once fired W-W brass.

I did take the plunge on Friday and spent 70 bucks on a new bag of W-W brass of Gunbroker. i heard Win is discontinuing it for good, so figured I better stock up while I can and it is not priced in the 3 digits for 50.

I have a 500 round box of .22-250 brass I bought when I was experimenting with the 6mm Walker International and the 6mm/.250 for across the course target shooting, so forming .250 Savage cases is simply a question of one pass through my RCBS .22 to .25 neck expander die and a pass through the .250 Savage die to correct any misalignment. I am currently feeding three .250 Savages. two hunting rifles and a varmint rifle. The hunting rifles are a Mauser Model K and a 99 Savage and the varmint rifle is a 30S Remington with a Hart barrel and a laminated stock.

A suggestion for those who run into trouble trying to form cases is to use Imperial sizing die wax. A little goes a long way. I thought I would have no trouble sizing down 7x57 to 257 Roberts. I crushed the neck down into the shoulder on the first one. I took my bob die apart and cleaned it inside. Same result. I remembered an old guy telling me he used Imperial wax in forming Lapua 220 Russian to 6ppc. I bought a little shoeshine can of imperial and has no problems necking down after that. It only takes a smidge of the stuff.

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Originally posted by Hawk_Driver:
I just bought a new Savage 16 in 250 Savage. Talk about bad timing. I did already have 100 rounds of loaded Rem factory ammo and 44 once fired W-W brass.

I did take the plunge on Friday and spent 70 bucks on a new bag of W-W brass of Gunbroker. i heard Win is discontinuing it for good, so figured I better stock up while I can and it is not priced in the 3 digits for 50.

If a major gun manufacturer is producing rifles chambered in .250 Savage then it is a sure bet that the ammunition companies aren't going to drop it, at least not until the factory drops the chambering. The ammunition companies are still playing catch-up since the hoarding this time exceeded all past experience, but they're not going to toss their .250 Savage drawing dies in the junk pile as long as there is a latent unmet demand. They're going to need something to do when the hoarders can't find any more places to stack .22 rimfire ammunition.

I think Savage has dropped the 250. Looking at the model listings on their website, I couldn't find anything chambered for it.

There are way too many perfectly serviceable 250 Savage rifles out their to stop making brass for forever.

Got my Lapua brass from Midway. Have resized the
necks from 22-250 to 250 savage in one pass with
RCBS sizing die lubricating the inside necks. No
problems. Primed, loaded and ready to fire form
to 250 Ackley Imp. The whole family has 250 Ackleys (like 5 of them) so if 250 Savage brass
becomes available in the future I will stock up.
Thanks to all who responded to this original post.

Tetonka
DRSS

I use a set of RCBS 250 Savage dies..I have a .243 stem and expander ball (6mm expnder ball, available at any store that sells reloading stuff)..Run a 22-250 over the expander ball then remove it an reinstall the 250 savage stem and expander ball and run the cases through the regular 250-3000 die, trim inside necks to remove a shoulder that is formed inside at the shoulder junction..trim to length and load, now you have proper 250 savagae cases.

That said I have several 250-3000 and sometime more, so I have two 250-3000 die bodies with both 243 and 250 stems and expander balls as its faster.

But today I have amassed a lot of loaded ammo and original brass for the 250-3000, also for the .284, so although I have about 200 250-3000 from 22-250, I seldom use it anymore..None is for sale btw....

Hornady is making 250 Savage brass in 2016. Powder Valley is taking pre-orders for it.

That's great news, I have shot the 250-3000 since 1945 and it's still one of my all time favorite calibers, now if Hornady would just make 25-35s!

They are making 25-35's as well. Powder Valley is taking preorders on those as well.

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Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
A suggestion for those who run into trouble trying to form cases is to use Imperial sizing die wax. A little goes a long way.

I've been using Imperial Die Wax since before it was on the market. It used to be sold by RCBS under their own name, and I have never understood why RCBs discontinued it. I suppose they wanted to sell their lube pads, which require liquid lubricant.

What's amazing is how long that little "shoe shine can" will last. I have no idea of how many cases I have lubricated with a single can, but I know I bought some extra cans at Camp Perry, and I haven't been to Camp Perry for about ten years now. The spare cans are still intact.

Brillcreme used to advertise "A little dab will do you," and with Imperial that is literally the case. It's not greasy and I have found no need to clean it off after completing the loading process.

250s and 25-35, Yeeehawww!

when will the 284 Win come back?

Rhetorical question--

Graf's has it in stock

http://www.grafs.com/retail/ca...duct/productId/25337

Hawk_Driver,
Thanks for the heads up on the 250 brass in 2016.
I did the expansion on 22-250 Lapua bass with the standard 250 RCBS expander ball and no problems with a well lubed case. Checked for trim length and loaded. Now ready for fire forming in my 250 Ackley Imp
chamber.
Good shooting to all.

Tetonka
DRSS

Why didn't you say it was an A.I.? You would have been better off to start with .243 brass which would not have required as much blow-out at the shoulder and would have started out fitting your chamber much better. Hopefully, the .22-250 brass will not give you a problem, but it will have somewhat thin necks and could end up with some splits on first firing.

22-250 to 250/3000s can cause a ring to form at the shoulder to neck junction during the expansion phase of case forming..Inside neck reaming will remove that ring and they last as long as factory 250 cases. Its always a good idea to anneal hard to find older brass and brass that has been modified if you have the wheretofore to do so, in which case., brass seems to last forever.

Good guess. .243 brass is 2.045" long.

22-250/250 savage brass is 1.912" long.

A lot easier not to trim the .243 brass even if it would F/L resize without major deformation.

22-250 brass is fine. There is a minor headspace issue on first fireing but unless you benchrest when fireforming you will never notice it.

I should have learned by now that a lot of hand loaders like to Rube Goldberg their reloading.
But I guess I haven't. My solution. Prime all cases. Dump in 17-18 gr of Universal or Unique. Dump 1 cc it organic tumble media on top of the powder charge. I use corn cob. Stuff a twist of paper towel in the neck ( to keep the powder and media in place. Chamber and fire. Instant fireformed correct sized brass that used half the powder and no bullet. . I do it to make 6.5 Creedmoor brass from 22/250 and 250 Savage new brass.
Easy pie and no dreaded doughnut.

The link Smokin Joe listed for captechintl.com/product lists 250 Savage in stock. With the 10% off they have right now you can buy it for $.57 per case.
I ordered 200 cases. Should be in about a week. I'll let you know how that goes.
Leo

Somewhere in the bunker are 3 or 4 boxes of 250-3000 loaded by Peters IIRC. When I get a chance, I'll see if they are floating near the top of the pile out there - maybe tomorrow.

Hi,Just got the new 250 Savage brass in today. After a visual inspection I'm pleased. It came in 100 round plastic bags. Both bags are one lot number.
No dents in the case mouths.
I used a bullet to do a random check on the case mouth inside diameter. I randomly checked about 8 cases. The case mouth slid onto the bullets ogive to the same point. It appears I could just prime, charge and seat bullets. I will do one pass through the size die just to ensure things are ok.
Leo