The post below on the old 25 Remington, got me intrigued. Since a 30 S in one of these calibers is going to be none existant to find AVAILABLE at a reasonable price, I am thinking of rebarreling a rifle to one.

Seems to me with all the work being done on the 6.8 SPC where they are basing it on the old 30 Remington case, that an action chambered in 223 might be a good candidate.

Anyone out there know enough about the old 30 Remington case to see how close the case rim is to the 223's .378 inches?

I was debating on using a Ruger 77 Mk 2 in a stainless for doing this. It would really be used as a Varmint cartridge, but loading it up sometimes for deer with a 117 grain round nose might offer some nostalgic hunting.

I do know a shop that is handling 30 Rem Brass that actually is brand new. Don't know the date of manufacture, but it is Remington Brass and it is new. It is prices at 60 cents per case.

Of course this is from a guy who is going bear hunting with a 30/40 Krag this spring, with an 8mm Mauser sporterized in the 1950s as an alternate.

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

The Head size is approximatly .415 in.
The case length is 2.025
Overall length loaded 117 grain factory 2.517
Taken from a Rem. factory round. Elmer.

Just found a cartridge chart and the max. base head size is .422 max case length is 2.05

Hope this helps. Elmer.

Elmer's got the right spec's now (but his measurements from the actual cases are probably correct, also).

The .25-.30-.32 Remingtons were adapted from the basic .30-30 case by turning off the rim and cutting an extractor groove. While they are sometimes said to be rimless "duplicates" of the .30-30 case, this is not quite true in that they have slightly less body taper and a much sharper shoulder (about 23 degrees I think, but I don't have any references in front of me). Overall cartridge capacity, although theoretically slightly greater than the .30-30/.25-30/.32 Special, is within the variation of brass thickness between the two sets of cartridges. Since pressures for both sets of cartridges are both mild and similar, loading data is considered interchangeable (in fact, an artical in the most recent Handloader Magazine indicates that Remington purposely made them ballistically interchageable in order to simplify their own ammunition manufacturing processes. Maybe, or maybe not, but the two sets of cartridges are ballistically peas in a pod.)

A "medium" action chambered for .223, such as the Remington 700 and ilk would be fairly easily adapted to a full-length .25 Remington. A true "short" action .223 such as a Sako, Kimber 84, or Mini Mark X would likely be short in the magazine for a .25 Remington.

I have a Remington Model 14 in this caliber. It is surprisingly accurate, and loads made with recently manufactured .30 Rem brass produce 2900 fps with a 90 grain bullet with apparently mild pressures.

I've always felt that the .30 Remington case was overlooked when the .223 came into being. The slightly fatter case could have been made to the same capacity as the .223 in a shorter round, allowing the action/magazine to be proportionally shorter. I suppose the poor accuracy reputation of the .219 Zipper (basically a necked-down .30-30) might have steered designers another direction.

Have fun with your project. You'll enjoy this old cartridge with its "modern" design.

It's spendy, but you can get 25 Rem. Brass in midway.
http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=1&Categoryid=10229&categorystring=9315***652***670***9013***
Godsdog

Seafire, I bought 30 Rem brass (to size up to 32) from Buffalo Arms. $30 per hundred. Regards, Woody
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,119.html