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I wait until the head is at the perfect angle. If the shot is perfect it only has to penetrate 3 or 4 inch to get to the brain. I know that I can do that every time with the 22 and could not with the 270.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
If I was Phil for instance and a client wanted to shoot a brown bear with a 22 or a bb gun, I would pack a 404 or his 500 and be ready to kill the bear and collect my 20,000 or whatever bears bring these days. If I was not allowed to pack a back up rifle Id take by 404 and go fishing and send the hunter packing..Problem solved!

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Phil,

They wound a shitload also with their pop guns witnessed by the amount of carcasses found just off the river. If it doesn't die on the river bank there isn't much follow up.

Of course this is not true in all cases but it happens way too often with people that claim to be the stewards of the land.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Phil,

They wound a shitload also with their pop guns witnessed by the amount of carcasses found just off the river. If it doesn't die on the river bank there isn't much follow up.

Of course this is not true in all cases but it happens way too often with people that claim to be the stewards of the land.

Mark

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Originally posted by buffybr:
@FWD, A while back I saw the Rockslide thread ".223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose"

I didn't read all 463 pages of this thread. On page 1, the OP wrote "Based on my sample of one, the 77 TMK out of a .223 is truly a lethal combination well suited to a dedicated lower 48 big game rifle."

I simply replied that "there are better choices" and I got totally flammed for that. I made several replies trying to explain my thoughts, then gave up.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Some paragraphs would be nice.

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by buffybr:
@FWD, A while back I saw the Rockslide thread ".223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose"

I didn't read all 463 pages of this thread. On page 1, the OP wrote "Based on my sample of one, the 77 TMK out of a .223 is truly a lethal combination well suited to a dedicated lower 48 big game rifle."

I simply replied that "there are better choices" and I got totally flammed for that. I made several replies trying to explain my thoughts, then gave up.

Buff-
I basically enjoy Rockslide and feel it’s a pretty well run website/forum.
Although there are some very knowledgeable, experienced, and great people over on Rockslide, especially some of the experienced local Alaskan’s who contribute . However there are a group of self proclaimed internet experts over there ,that get their ideas largely out of books rather than real life hunting and outdoor experiences.

I too have found out though if you challenge one of the self proclaimed internet experts over at RS who are part of a worshipped group they will gang up on you and basically try to discredit your experiences and knowledge. One dude in particular is a real piece of work over on RS who goes by the screen name of Formidilus sp? . This guy claims he has been on 1000’s of kills on cull hunts. Pretty sure he is about 110% B.S.

. Only pics he’s ever posted are of a single 3X4 rag horn bull elk. He also use to post a lot on 24HR and then disappeared from there and showed up on Rockslide . Pull up Formidilus sp? on 24HR and read his 5 page drama on his elk hunt where he was on a constant daily survival mode during his 6 day elk hunt , including his falling off a cliff.

I like you, I challenged Formidilus and his groupies on their grizzly/black bear hunting prowess and real life experiences. Formidilus has never killed a grizzly but he and others who have not killed grizzly are giving others advice. Pretty unbelievable that he has a medium size following on RS . I believe the internet title he is trying to achieve is a internet influencer.

Anyhow he goes on and on about recommending ,killing grizzly, and brown bear hunting with a .223. The dude has never hunted or killed a grizzly or brown bear, or even a black bear.Pretty positive he has never even been on a great bear hunt. I grew up hunting prong horn and mule deer in MT with a Sako 22-250 and 55gr REM Core-Loks. I own .223’s in bolt action , AR15’s and having a Hagn single shot .223 being built now.

I have been around grizzlies most of my life. I would not purposely shoot a grizzly, brown bear with a .223 nor would I want to rely on a .223 during a defensive attack by a sow grizzly with two year old cubs. I know people have killed Cape buffalo with a 17 REM. I know Inuits hunt with AR15s and shoot polar bears, Alaskan locals kill grizzly and brown bears with AR15’s usually during chance encounters .

My problem with that dude over on RS is that he gives grizzly hunting advice and he has never nor have many of his followers disciples that also give advice and will argue about it , but they tell the uninformed how to hunt grizzlies but they have zero life experiences on the advice they are giving out.

Just like I do here on the political forum ,with the woke democrats, I will argue and confront them ,until a certain point, I get them to admit they don’t have experience on what they are giving advice on, then just like you experienced the sheep that follow these internet influencers back up their internet guru and flame you out. At that point I just leave the thread , I made my point, and just let them go off and get excited for another 20 pages. Actually it can be rather entertaining after the initial annoyance.
4WD

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I would shoot a bear with a 223! two clips of 30 taped together and on full auto!