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I wait until the head is at the perfect angle. If the shot is perfect it only has to penetrate 3 or 4 inch to get to the brain. I know that I can do that every time with the 22 and could not with the 270.

Bella Twin

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/...rd-grizzly-and-more/

This thread gets worse and worse every day..I would not shoot dg with a 22 caliber, but I would deer, elk or PG on a substantial, financial bet and I would cost someone a lot of money...Any takers?

2nd symptom of insanity: believing internet experts.

3rd and final: arguing with internet experts.

My opinion is of little value, and not known for truthfulness or reliability. But my experience with whitetails is, I never shot one with less than a .270 or larger than a .45-70.

Alaska hunting laws allow any centerfire cartridge for hunting big game.
But guide statutes require that a guide shoot if they deem any wounded animal is in danger of escaping.

So bring what ever you wish. But after guiding here for 45 years I would suggest asking your guide for their opinion.

If you can shoot, and bring ammo loaded with any of the premium bullets, you can get by with anything in the 7mm / 308 / 30-06 category or bigger

Ive killed a number of deer with my Win 63 on our ranch in Mexico in years past and never wounded one, I would do the same on any soft skin DG animal under certain circumstances, but I will never give it a try. would I hunt bear with a 25-35 or 30-30? yes I would if someone wants to pay Phil the expense of a bear hunt!

If I was Phil for instance and a client wanted to shoot a brown bear with a 22 or a bb gun, I would pack a 404 or his 500 and be ready to kill the bear and collect my 20,000 or whatever bears bring these days. If I was not allowed to pack a back up rifle Id take by 404 and go fishing and send the hunter packing..Problem solved!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
If I was Phil for instance and a client wanted to shoot a brown bear with a 22 or a bb gun, I would pack a 404 or his 500 and be ready to kill the bear and collect my 20,000 or whatever bears bring these days. If I was not allowed to pack a back up rifle Id take by 404 and go fishing and send the hunter packing..Problem solved!

Ray, todays prices are double that

I got royally flamed on another Rockslide Thread titled ".223-for-bear-mountain-goat-deer-elk-and-moose" for simply replying that "there are better choices"

I know of numerous rural Alaskans that use 223’s and 22-250’s for everything , including grizzly bears .

Phil,

They wound a shitload also with their pop guns witnessed by the amount of carcasses found just off the river. If it doesn't die on the river bank there isn't much follow up.

Of course this is not true in all cases but it happens way too often with people that claim to be the stewards of the land.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Phil,

They wound a shitload also with their pop guns witnessed by the amount of carcasses found just off the river. If it doesn't die on the river bank there isn't much follow up.

Of course this is not true in all cases but it happens way too often with people that claim to be the stewards of the land.

Mark

Not the ones I am talking about, but yes, there are those village types who flock shoot

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Phil,

They wound a shitload also with their pop guns witnessed by the amount of carcasses found just off the river. If it doesn't die on the river bank there isn't much follow up.

Of course this is not true in all cases but it happens way too often with people that claim to be the stewards of the land.

Mark

Mark...that has been my experience with it as well in northern Canada.