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Looking through my gun cabinet the other day I realize that I am a closet quarter bore fan and didn�t know it. I have the hots to do some horse-trading to cull some guns. The buyers have been identified, however, the replacement calibers have yet to be named. I have a 6.5mm-.284 long throat target gun already. Obviously, I recognize the benefits of a short and fat powder column over the .25-06 long and tapered design. From a bullet standpoint, the 6.5mm offers a little better BC, but I have more choices for .25 caliber. Cartridges that I am considering: .25-06 Rem Any ideas???? | ||
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| <Big Stick> |
I've been accused of being a 25 Fan. I dote on the 25-284............... | ||
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| <Ol' Sarge> |
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
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| <Big Stick> |
The 25-284 does it in a short action,a smidge more snort and I believe it has a slight accuracy advantage. I prefer the 25-06AI,to the 25-06,by a goodly margin................ | ||
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25-06 IMP or .257 WBY. Kills like chain lightning on steroids! Accurate Too!-Rob | |||
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.....and all these 25 calibers are soooooooo much different!  What? Maybe asmuch as 500fps between them? 1/4 to 3/4 groups for any of them, depending on the barrel and shooter? I love the 25/06 that is "hell on wheels" for anything from p-dogs to deer. Should I try changing the mind of someone who loves the 25/284, 25/06AI, 257 Weatherby? Naaaah. They're ALL "hell on wheels" - some may be a little more "heller on wheels", but they're ALL derned good rifle cartridges!!!  | |||
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| <DuaneinND> |
You owe it to yourself to have a 257DGR! of course I am a little biased. www.duanesguns.com I do also have a reamer drawing for a 25cal based on a 404 jeffery case that could be made by necking down the Rem 7mmSUM, has about 4% more case capacity than the 25/284. | ||
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| <ovis> |
DuaneinND, Nice webpage, nice equipment. Joe | ||
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You said it Danno. I own 3 Q bores a 25-06,257 wby, and a 250 savage. I dont much shoot My 257 I seemingly have a hard time getting good results outta that brl, and have kinda set that one aside for awhile. I love my 25-06. Its a win 70 with a pac-nor 25" on it. The 250 savage was the ORIGINAL deer/varmit high velo cartridge, but that kinda changed when the 243 came out. Last year a friend of mine took 3 hogs in california with my savage , I thought that was alittle thick... but everything worked out just fine. How about hitting the brakes a bit zero and get a 250 savage? At least if you have a 22-250 it will have a bigger brother. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zero Drift: .25-06 Rem gets my vote:love mine. | |||
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Love my .250S pleasant shooting, & deadly accureate, wouldn't trade it for a bushel of them high performance lead slingers. | |||
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I have a 257Wby and a 257AI. The Ackley was custom built and with 85gr Ballistic Tips its hard on chucks and the 115 gr drops a whitetail like a bad habbit. | |||
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Quarter Bore Mania Continued... Spent the morning at the range with my target guns. Shot on the 300 yard line with my 6mm-.284, my 6mm Rem, and my 6.5mm-284. The wind was a factor today gusting over 15 MPH. My 6mm Rem shoots a 80gr Berger Moly MEF @ 3521fps. It's a warm load. Next was my 6mm-.284. It is set up for 105gr Berger Moly VLD @ 3250fps. This bullet has a BC of .565. Again, I did not compensate for wind and the drift groups were less than a third of the 80gr bullets. Finally, I pulled out the 6.5mm-.284 target gun (long throat). It is set up for Berger 140gr VLD (non-coated) @ 3050fps. This bullet has a BC of .627. The wind actually picked up in both velocity and gusts at this point. Groups were well inside of the 105gr 6mm group. Soooo, my mind is made up. My .25-06 is going on the auction block. I am going to build a standard throat 6.5mm-.284 hunting gun. Now comes the fun part of picking out an action. However, I will definitely stick with Kreiger for my barrel. Watch Out Wabbit... [This message has been edited by Zero Drift (edited 03-30-2002).] | |||
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| <DuaneinND> |
Thanks Ovis | ||
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For hunting I like the .257 Roberts, I grew up shootng one, and I killed lots of game with it. When I did my part it did it's. For years I have always kept a 6,5mm bore around and love my 6,5x54 mm Mannlicher Schoenauer. I know this is a little out of the realm. For accuracy I have used the 6,5mm BR and it is a fun little round. For open terrain the 6,5x68 mm is as accurate and flat shooting as any other. | |||
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eldeguello... Like I said I love my 250 savage, its ashame more dont exist or brass for that matter. I both fire form and size mine from 22-250. Do you buy your brass, assuming you reload? | |||
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| <eldeguello> |
Smallfry, I have used necked-up .22/250 brass, but had problems with some of the necks splitting within a year or so. I guess I should have annealed the necks after sizing them up. I have also used .250 brass which I bought from Huntington's, and was able to get nickle-plated .250 cases from them. I don't know if they still have any, though, this was about 2 years ago. What a finbe little round it is. I prefer a .25" bore to any of the .24's!! | ||
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| <DuaneinND> |
If you want really good brass for your 250 Sav. invest in a form and trim die, and make your brass from 243win or anything else that is longer. I fell in love with the 250S about 20 years ago, and still own one built on a 600 rem with a 25" barrel, I also have a 250AI with a 24" barrel, and it was the brass that drove me to designing the 257DGR, with parents like the 250S and the 250AI how can it not be a good 25cal cartridge? www.duanesguns.com [This message has been edited by DuaneinND (edited 04-04-2002).] | ||
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I only have experience with one, .25, the 25-06 in my son's 700 Sendero. The only "problem" we have had is trying which load to shoot as we have yet to find a load that will shoot OVER 3/4". Most group in the .250-.330" range. I don't think you can miss with this rifle unless you just try to. Barne's X bullets, Ballistic Tips, it doesn't matter, this rifle shoots EVERYTHING! I'm sold on it. | |||
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quote:Don't know to much about it but I think the 270wsm to a 6.5 might be something or even doing it with the rem case. good luck | |||
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| <MAKATAK> |
I like my 250AI and my 25-06. 75's and 85's for the 250AI and 115 to 120's for the 25-06. The 250AI is on a M788 action, 24" Shilen barrel, lamlinated stock. I won't publish the chrono's of the 250AI because no one would beleive me and I shake my head everytime I check them out. So close to what I get out of the 25-06 in the lighter bullets I quit loading light bullets because I needed 20-25% more powder just to equal the ballistics. I use Fed GM, Norma or Lapua 308 brass fitted to the chamber because I can get longer case necks and they last 10 loadings apiece before I toss them without any problem. I also have a 6mm-284 and don't see much real world difference between it and the larger 25's except for nitpicking numbers off a printout. My next project is a 6.5 x 284 just because my 6mm-284 is long over due for a new barrel and I need something new to play with. I'm having both barrels made up for my Savage 110 "switch barrel" so I can do a comparison. Pick your poison and enjoy it, the grass on the otherside isn't always that palatable. | ||
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quote: Of all the posts I've looked at it seems no one talks about the .257 Weatherby. I've been shooting one for 35 years and think it's a great cartridge but maybe I'm stupid. What's the problem? I'm curios because I'm having a Ruger #1 rebarrelled as we speak. Lilja Stainless .257 Weatherby. | |||
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Niknman, Let me know how that #1 conversion to .257 WBY goes. Is that a rechamber or a rebarrel job? Considering the same thing myself. Mike | |||
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| <phurley> |
I am a .257 Wby man, and have been for several years. I shoot the 100 gr. Barnes XLC, the 110 gr. Berger, the 115 Silvertip, the 115 gr. and 120 gr. Nosler Partitions. My 12 year old grandson has killed several Deer with the rifle and would shoot nothing else. I mounted a 6 X 24 Burris Signature scope on it and could not be more pleased. On good days I get one hole three shot groups. The Slowest load is the 120 gr. Nosler Partition at 3500 fps, it is also my best hunting load. Good shooting. ------------------ | ||
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| <Elliot Viker> |
I have a 250 savage improved and a 257 standard roberts. I like both, and they perform very much alike. The 250 savage to me is a great round. So is the robberts. To me they are classics. The 25-06 is the cheaper of the hot rods, but the 250 improved in a short action in a light and lively gun is a treat to shoot. great for deer, and a killer on the small stuff out as far as most can shoot. | ||
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257 Ackley 40 degree. ------------------ | |||
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| <Jeff in ND> |
I love my 257DGR. All of a 250AI plus: A tad move velovity. It feeds perfectly from the magazine. You don't have to fire form the case to get the capacity of the 250AI, just run 260 (or 243) brass throught the 257DGR FL sizer and load. http://www.angelfire.com/nd/243ackleyimproved/257DGR_3.htm Good Hunting | ||
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| <richard10x> |
quote: I too love both the .205 Savage AI and the Roberts AI My two .250 Savave rifles are 1, a Savage M-99 with a factory featherweight barrel cut to 21' and rechambered, and 2, a Ruger short action factory barrel cit to 18 1/2 inches and fitted with rugers RSI stock. My .257 Roberts AI is on a small ring '98 Mexican Mauser with a 21" barrel (Hart). I would give up a lot before I parted with any of them!!! | ||
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Duane, I a little surprised (actually, a lot surprised) that the .25/7 Rem SAUM only has 4% more powder room than a .25-284. That's not a significant difference. However, the SAUM cartridges (and their brass) are likely to be around for awhile, so component availability should be good. Be neat if Rem would make the .25 SAUM a factory offering ;-) | |||
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| <woody> |
quote: SIR: I AM PUTTING TOGETHER A 250 AI. PLEASE E:MAIL ME YOUR LOADS FOR YOU 250 AI. GIVE ME YOUR BARREL LENGHT IN AS MUCH AS I WILL USING 22' BARREL. | ||
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It's the 25.06 Rem. in my book. I bought a Model 700 in the early 80s. Two shots stand-out in my memory. The first hunt I took it on was for whitetail in Texas. I got in my stand, and by mid-morning hadn't seen anything. I was dying to shoot the gun on game. Finally this armadillo comes wandering out at about 150 yards. I thought about it, knew it would ruin the deer possibilities for a while, but had to do it. I laid the scope on the little feller and pulled off a shot. Nothing happened. Dirt flew and the armadillo stayed dead-still. Didn't even twitch. I thought about trying again, but just watched him through the scope trying to understand what I was seeing. He never moved, and he looked different. I climbed down out of my stand and walked over to him, expecting him to run off at any moment. When I got close, I was amazed. His head had been vaporized. He looked like a pineapple on legs. No head, no neck, no nothing. He was still on all-fours, body off the ground. His body had received no message telling him that he was dead. The second shot I marveled at was years later hunting pronghorn near Alpine, Texas. I was shooting my 25.06 with Sierra 120 gr. HPBT handloads. I had a buck stand-up out of tall grass less than 100 yards from me on the last afternoon of the hunt. It spooked me so bad I hurried the shot and missed. He ran out to 328 yards and stopped by a doe, broadside to me. I hunkered down with the bipod, took my time, and touched one off. It wasn't like I killed him. It was like he had never lived. Like he was held up by a string, and I cut the string. He never flinched, moved, or kicked. It was like a sack of potatoes fell off a truck. | |||
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| <six bits> |
Well sucks. I will just have to keep my 257 WBY Douglas heavy barreled Ruger old 77.Nothing fancy but it is a shooter. 100 gr.xlc's are sudden lights out.Not a big bear gun but it would work in a pinch. | ||
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I have a Sako in 25-06 and a Weatherby Ultralight in 257 WBY. Although the 257 is a little hotter, I prefer the 25-06 because it will shoot 100 & 115 NBT into one ragged hole, and it does it with less muzzle blast. My 257 is very fickle with both factory and handloads, but I can get it to shoot about MOA with a little work. [ 06-28-2002, 18:47: Message edited by: DOCTOR LOU ] | |||
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I have owned a 25/06 Ackley improved (40 degree shoulder) for about 15 years. The rifle was originally a stock standard 25/06 Sako, before I had the existing barrel rechambered for the improved version after about 400 shots had been fired in standard form. The standard case would push the Nosler ballistic tip through my chronograph at 3350fps, and the improved will send the same bullet through at 3600fps. The 120 grain bullets will achieve 3350 -3400fps. It is a terrific hunting rifle for varmints through to medium game here in Australia. To quote my eldest son (about 15 at the time), who after a series of successful shots on a hunting trip said "I swear I will marry this rifle some day". It's field performance is certainly addictive, and from experience, I will echo the earlier comment of Ol Sarge, who said the 100 grain Nosler Ballistic tip kills like chain lightning. Good shooting! | |||
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| <T. D. Clevenger> |
Absolutely positively the best of the quarter bores is the 250 Savage Imp. Okay, that's just my opinion. But then I value my opinion highly! T.D. | ||
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quote:I think I'm going to have to buy a 25-06 based solely on the pure beauty of those quotes!!! I had to call my buddy and share those because they were so good. Kensco....you've painted a digital master piece with your keyboard. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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I probably got lucky. Usually my fingers don't even hit the right keys. The 25.06 Rem. is the artist. Try one if you get a chance. | |||
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I really cannot add anything here of tremendous importance; all of the quarter bores are wonderful cartridges and I would have a hard time taking a position on which is indeed the best performer. Here in Wyoming, I gave up on the 22 centre fires as the predominant wind factor in this state really tosses the little pills around at long range varmint shooting. The 6MMs are good, but they never captured my fascination like the 257s did. Its strange how some cartridges seem to have killing power beyond that which paper ballistics indicate. Is the 25 calibre magic? Perhaps.... Anyway, I would like to announce I have FINALLY found a load that stays consistently in the low 4s for me. The rifle is a factory barrelled M700 and I have never been able to best the 7s as an average before now. WW brass neck sized with Lee collet die Neck sized with Lee collet die Flash holes de-burred Federal 210 primer Reloder 22 @ 57.5 grains Sierra 100 grain HPBT MatchKing .100" off lands Average velocity = 3214 fps Group average = .430" for (3), 5 shot groups Of course, I have a new Lilja heavy barrel on the way so I can soon start all over! The 25/06 has been my introduction to the world of long range shooting and precision hand loading. My work area has evolved from a long time standard reloading set up to some kind of quasi-munitions laboratory equipped with tools I hardly even knew existed before! I have become addicted to this aspect of the shooting sports and the prairie dogs are hatin' it! For many years I scoffed at the high velocity crowd that was always chasing the tiny groups with their impractical rifles and ridiculously time consuming hand loading behaviour.... The taste of boot leather is really quite unattractive! Regards to all. ~Holmes | |||
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| <eldeguello> |
Neck a .270 to .25?? ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif){kind=icon} What you get is ...a .25/'06!! THE BEST of the .25's is...not the fastest, just the bestes!! Thr .250 Savage AI!! ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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I held my zero and did not correct for the wind. The Berger has a low BC of .278 and was getting blown all over my target.