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Gidday Guys, I have a wee problem. Today I took a couple of my favorite loads out to the range and for the first time put them over the chrony. Now I know what you will say. If it aint broke don't fix it but I'm so shocked with the velocities I don't have confidence in them any more. The first is the 243 load that I have been using for the last 10 years. A 90gr Speer hotcore over 39 gr AR2209 in a PMC case sparked by a Win LR primer. Getting a miserable 2704 fps average from a Rem 700 ADL. This load kills deer and pigs without a problem because I thought I was getting about 3000 - 3100 fps from this load. Worse still is the 260 load. Here we have a 120 gr coreloct over 41 gr of AR2209 (H4350 to our North American cousins) in Rem cases with Win LR primers. This load managed a wimpy 2404fps out of the 20" tube of my model seven. No wonder both of these loads give great penetration on deer sized animals but I am not that confident about hitting animals over 300 metres with them. I would feel a lot more confident if I could get 3000fps out of the 243 and 2800fps out of the 260 with these bullets. One of the guys at the range suggested I go with AR2208 (Varget for those from the Northern Hemisphere). What are the thoughts of those a lot more knowledgable than I. Both loads that are listed above work a treat but maybe I could stretch the range a bit more and knock a few more animals than I do at the moment. My confidence has been shaken. At least my 30-06 load still turns up 3030fps with 150gr BTs over 53grs of IMR4064. This is my go to long range load but both the 243 and 260 loads should be in the same class. Happy Hunting Hamish | ||
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Hamish, Same thing happened tome a few years back. I had been using the published velocities from loading manuals and thought I was doing great with a certain 280 load....it killed everything I pointed it at and didn't kick hard at all. Well, I bought a cheap chrony and checked the load one day...140 gr at 2600 fps out of a 22" mountain rifle....I had the same thought you had!! I finally came to my senses and just kept shooting the load since it worked so well. If it ain't broke..... If you bump up the loads, you might get another 50 yds or so...will it be worth the effort most of the time??....probably not. Varget is a good powder and I have had good luck with IMR 4320 too. Hunt safe!! The year of the .30-06!! 100 years of mostly flawless performance on demand.....Celebrate...buy a new one!! | |||
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Your North American cousins usually load about 43-44 grains with that powder and bullet. (H-4350)
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I too thought I had a 243 load in my 22 in barrel about high 2900.According to the manuel useing H4831 (46 grs)=3071 with 24 in barrel.I shot a 3 -shot group through my buddies Pact chrony and it only averaged 2840.I am going to do it a couple more times and see if it changes when I get the time. I just checked some speeds on the same pact using my 260 the other day and will include the results.It has a 24 in barrel Using R-19 (47.5 grs) and 120 gr bullet it averaged 2967 which was higher than the manuel,it had 2950fps for 48 grs. Tried a 100 gr bullet with IMR 4064 and R-19 check out their ES and SD on my speed check. I used 48.5 grs of the R-19,the book gives 3180 using 49 grs and out of a 22 inch barrel,I only averaged 3066 in my 24 in barrel so I guess I am a way low there to.  | |||
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Hamish, Did you shoot that 30-06 passed the chrono on the same day you shot the 243 and 260? If so your reloads may be light. If not then your chrono readings could be off - I've had that happen. So alway keep a factory load close to the reload in performance to check chrono. Shooting a factory load lets you check not only the chrono velocity but if you'll measure the diameter of the pressure ring (Just ahead of the case head) you can compare this to the reloads to get a rough cheack of pressure too. This assumes the factory load is close to max pressure. ________ Ray | |||
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Hamish; Although not a fan of H 4350 that much.. I don't know what is available in NZ... All I know is if you want faster velocity out of shorter barrels, one needs to go to faster powders.... You didn't mention barrel length on the 243... Let me know if you can get IMR powders or Reloader powders down in NZ..... I work a lot with the 243 and the 260 as you know....Drop me a PM or email... and I will be happy to share my load data, or let you know my thoughts based on experiences of what I have if the shoe fits so to speak.... cheers seafire  | |||
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 Your plight is not thaT UNCOMMON. just this week a fellow shooter at the range asked me to chrono what he thought was a max load in his .308 that he had been using for some time. He was getting 2525ft/sec. w/ a 168 gr. bullet His cook book said it should have been over 2700 ft./sec.He was shocked also.It is amazing how those velocities drop when you actually start to measure them. Kinda like fish stories.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Gidday Guys, Ray, Yes the 30-06 was measured on the same day so it wasn't the chrono. Seafire, The barrel was 22" on the 243. Have sent a PM about the loads. Thanks for the help lads. I'm looking forward to some flat shooting. Happy Hunting Hamish | |||
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Have a look at the ADI website. The loads you're using aren't even at the 'starting' loads listed on the site. | |||
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I have three 260's all custom rifles built on Remington 700 actions with Krieger barrels. The rifle that I shoot in longrange F class matches has a barrel finished at 25", the varmint weight rifle's barrel is finished at 24" and the sporter is finshed at 23". With the 85 to 120 gr. I use nothing but IMR 4064 and with the 140 gr. class bullets I use H4350. 85gr. to 90gr. (Sierra for the 85 gr and Speer TNT for the 90gr.) 45 to 45.5 gr of IMR 4064 Federal 210M primer Rem. Brass Velocity=3440 to 3500 fps depending on the bullet Accuracy in the .3's to the .5's for 5 shots Blows big holes in coyotes, definetly not a load if you are interested in saving the pelts. 120 gr. Sierra ProHunter 41.4gr to 41.8 gr. of IMR 4064 Federal 210M primer Rem. Brass Velocity=3030 fps. I have never shot anything but the Sierra ProHunter with this load. Accuracy in the .4's to the .5's for 5 shots. I have a couple of 5 shot groups in the .2' with this load. Kills deer very well. Have never had one make it over 20 yards after being hit with this load. 139 to 142 gr. Match and Hunting bullets 41.8 gr. to 42.4 gr. of H4350 CCI BR-2 primer Rem. Brass Velocity=2710 to 2760 fps. depending on the rifle. Accuracy is excellent. Cosistently sub. 5 MOA even with the GameKing. I have yet to see a 260 that wouldn't shoot this powder/primer/bullet weight very well. My match rifle likes 41.8 gr., the varmint weight rifle likes 42.0 gr. and the sporter likes 42.2 gr. with any 140 gr class bullet I have seated on top of it. They include the Sierra MatchKing, Lapua Scenar, Berger VLD and the 140 gr. Sierra GameKing. Kills hogs and deer very well. I have yet to have a hog take a step after being hit with a 140 gr. GameKing, and all have completely penetrated all game hit with them. Same for deer, except I have had few make a few yards before hitting the dirt. Seafire is very knowledgeable when it comes to getting about any 6.5 mm up and running. He got me to using IMR 4064 with the ligther bullets. I have just started playing with a 260 AI and have found it likes the same powders just a little more of them. Velocity runs about 100 to 150 fps higher with the same bullet weights. Accuracy is just as good as the standard 260. Long Live The 6.5 PaPa 260 | |||
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If you have a rifle chambered in .243 or .260 that won't shoot loads using VARGET........get rid of it!!! GHD Groundhog Devastation(GHD) | |||
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GH D: It's it easier to just get another type of powder, other than Varget than getting rid of a perfectly good 260 or 243????  I myself never have had the 'luck' with Varget that I do with other powders... I find a few things it worked okay in, but normally I can find some other powders that will beat it for accuracy in about any caliber I try it in... IMR 4064, IMR 4895 and RL 15 seem to run circles around Varget in my experiences for accuracy in both cartridges.... sorry there old buddy....  But cheers and good shooting seafire | |||
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Hamish: Papa 260 covered a lot of the info I would have sent you...IMR 4064 just works real well... w 748 is another sleeper powder for 120 grains and down.... For my 260 Remington VLS and 120 grain Matchkings, it is my first choice at 40 grains... It is the first powder listed in the Sierra Manual and worked real well...So I just stayed with it... Velocity at 2800 fps out of a 26 inch barrel. I did spend some time talking with the Sierra Tech Reps also, about some of their bullets ( Matchkings) for several different 6.5 mm rifles I have ( 6.5 x 55, 6.5 x 57)..... They indicated to me that the best accuracy for the 140 grain class was in the 2400 t0 2800 fps range....When pushed over the 2800 accuracy suffers...Aerodynamically they are pretty darn flat shooting.... As far as a Model 7 with a 18 to 20 inch barrel and a 140 grain bullet, about 2400 fps is going to be about the best you are going to see with that barrel length... However, with the 260 and the 243, if you want to rev up the RPMS on both rifles... a real sleeper of a powder is H 414.. or the same powder is W 760.... in the 243, work up H 414 to see how it performs in your rifle... I load up the 243 with 105 grain SP/Speers frequently to a load of 44 grains ( 2 over max in the older Hodgdon Manual, # 25).... Velocity in a 22 inch Ruger or a 24 inch Model 70 are at 3250 fps.... 47.5 grains of IMR 7828 also does the same thing.... IN the 260 with the 18 or 20 inch barrel...and a 140 grainer.. If I had to max velocity.. I'd play with H 1000, or IMR 7828.. I'm looking to try that new SC version to see if that will give me anything extra....My first choice once again tho would be H 414, then IMR 7828 and finally H 1000... Another little HillBilly trick is instead of using Rem 260 Brass or PMC ( PMC sucks in my book) try using Winchester brass in the 243 and then neck down Winchester 7/08 brass for the 260 Remington... Both cases have more capacity than the Remington cases...Will allow a little more powder which should work well with H 414... I am looking for my notes... but with Win Brass and H 414 and I think ( don't take this as gospel on the powder quantity, but I am thinking 46 grains) and a 90 grain Speer seated to Magazine length ( with the throat cut to fit the magazine length for the cartridge) in a Model 70 with a 24 inch barrel...the 90 grain bullet was chronographed at about 3350 fps or a little faster.... Let me test that tomorrow and I'll send you a PM on that...Work up if you try it.. but I do know several sources list the 90 grain Speer and 44 grains of H 414 at 3250 fps... Throating the 260 Rem in the Model 7 out to where it will take a bullet at magazine length will help out.. if you want to max out the velocity... Will PM ya on the results if I can get to the range tomorrow... cheers seafire... PS; Papa 260 thanks for the compliments...  | |||
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Gidday Guys, Glad we seem to have some alternatives to try. I have heap of IMR4895 around and load 4064 in the 30-06. Varget (AR2208) is readily available also. If anyone can come up with some loads for AR2201 in anything that would be appreciated as I can't find any info on this powder and I have inherited a ton of the stuff and don't have a clue where to start or on what!!! Happy Hunting Hamish | |||
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Hamish; Sorry, but Milo Hassenmueller ( Homer here  ) just re read your posts and I was thinking 140 grain bullets not 120s....So as an addendum to above.... Winchester 7/08 cases sized down.. Still try the H 414 if you can... no need for a mag primer....no matter what some load manuals say...in my experience.. but follow your heart.. 40 grains of W 748...2900 fps 40 grains of RL 15....42.5 if you have to max it out...3000 fps ( book recommends max at 40 grains for 2900 fps) work up, you know the routine... H 414... 44.2 grains book max.. Sierra at 2900 fps from a 24 inch tube...with Win Brass.. I'd speculate that you could easily get away with 46 grains...IN a 6.5 x 55 I use 47.5 grains with this powder and a 120 grain bullet... IMR 4064.... 42.5 grains for the 3000 fps IMR 4895...41 grains max..according to book at 2900 fps... Varget at 40.5 grains max...according to book at 2900 fps ( I don't care for this powder... I have never found the accuracy I have found with other powders, all there is too it..) For the 140s... Sierra book maxes... H 414...42.5 grains for 2700 fps H 380....41.5 for 2700 fps W 748 lists a max of 38.5 for 2600 fps, but I know that in mine rifle.. 40 grains in Win 7/08 cases is fine and that gives me 2700 fps plus.. This is over book max, but I have also played with 47.5 grains of RL 19 ( max is 44.5 according to Sierra manual) and a 140 grain bullet ( Win 7/08 cases) and this load chrono'ed at 2900 fps...Work up tho if you try it... You can weigh out your opinion on the lawyer presssure stuff.. however the loads above I have had reliable case life... I consider if I get 5 reloadings out of a case using that load... it is good enough in my book as safe... But all of that ought to give you something to play with.... I am sure you will find a little extra turbo charging in there.... cheers seafire good luck, be safe, work up... but you guys down in Oz and NZ don't have the sue happy lawyers like we do in the states, so you are smart enough to use COMMON SENSE... In the USA society thinks one doesn't need common sense, if you have access to an attorney... | |||
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seafire, Point taken!  You don't like VARGET, I do!! 222MAG, .223, .243, 6mm, .260, 300SAUM and even have loads it works in 25-06 and 7mmMag!!! And your pointing out H-414 has merits also!! I have never seen or tested a more versatle powder than VARGET!! I thought I'd never find one that was better than IMR 3031 in a whole myriad of chamberings till VARGET came along!! I'll give you the honors as to velocities using the heavier bullets /caliber using something a bit slower burn rate, but one after the other from the .224's thru the 30's, a more versatile powder has yet to be developed!  GHDGroundhog Devastation(GHD) | |||
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Hidday GHD, PM sent. Really interested in what you have got with Varget. Happy Hunting Hamish | |||
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Hey JB747, What is the website for ADI. Have tried to Google both ADI and Mulwex and still can't find it. It might be able to help me find out what I can do with the ton of AR2201 I've got here Happy Hunting Hamish | |||
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Hamish, I shoot a .260ai & have great results using H4350 w/ 120-140gr. If ar2209 is close to H4350, you still have a way to go, and H4350 works better loaded to near max. IMR4064 is very good w/ bullet 100gr & less. IMR4831 & RL19 are also very good w/ 120gr pills. Good luck. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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GH D: Glad that Varget is working for you.. I don't knock those that use it.. Just haven't been able to get the results and the "flexibility" that you seem to enjoy....And I have tried it in a wide variety of calibers as a good friend that use to work at where I buy powder, thought it was the best thing ever put into a rifle case.... you and I are on the same page about 3031 tho.... I really like that powder... It has made a silk purse out of a couple of sow's ears of rifles I have owned... The main thing, is that we get our buddy Hamish on the right track and get him something that performs the way he is expecting.... after all he is shooting two excellent calibers... Cheers seafire | |||
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Seafire I have to give you credit for the 4064 load too.I tried it when you posted it in another topic,I didn't get the fps in my 24 in barrel as you did in a 22 in barrel but the ES and SD were very close to my R-19 load.Found that it was just as accurate also. Have had a 260 ever since they came out (first one was a ruger mk11) (second one rem mtn rifle) what I have now is the rem bdl ss.All have been shooters and about any powder I tried would make a good hunting load here for the 260. In the 243 I have allways used IMR 4350 with a 87 gr bullet and H4831 with a 100 gr bullet. I have some 85 gr sierras that I want to try with the 4064 soon as I get the chance. For you that haven't tried the 4064 in the 260 below is the results that I got with a factory rem comparing it to R-19,the speeds are listed in post above.  | |||
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Hamish For your .243 , Nick Harvey's Reloading Manual for Rifle and Handgun (2nd edition) quotes maximum of 37 gns AR 2201 with the 70 gn bullet at 3460 FPS . Same charge with 75gn bullet is maximum at 3425 . 35gns with the 80gn bullet is maximum at 3350 . With the 85 - 90 gn bullets he lists 35 gns as maximum at 3100 FPS . Think AR 2201 is long gone as the '96 ADI handloader's guide doesn't even list it . Better check for an acrid odour when you open the tin , it may have gone off . The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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For many years the given velocity of .243Win. factory 100gr. cartridges was 3060fps. It didn't matter if it was Remington, Winchester, Federal or whoever the velocity was 3060fps. All of a sudden all the companies started listing the velocity as 2900fps. I guess they had all made the exact same mistake in computing the velocity. Yeah right, believe it if you wish. It's just another of the many lies we are fed. After a while it really gets discouraging. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal Cal Sibley | |||
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Your loads seem quite mild. Your .243 load exactly duplicates the starting load in Speer Manual #13 and you are getting almost the exact velocity they list for that load. Your .260 Rem load is below the starting load listed in no. 27 Hodgdon Manual. I would suggest that if you want more velocity you need to dump more powder in the case...but if it ain't broke???? We didn't inherit the land from our fathers, we're borrowing it from our children. | |||
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I think it had more to do with getting more accurate pressure measuring equipment than lawyers. CUP pressure does not give as accurate an indication of peak pressure as does a strain gauge measuring PSI. When the pressure variation was accurately measured, they had to back off some. | |||
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Papa 260,don't have match barrels, mine is a bdl rem with 24 in barrel, but tried the 85 gr sierra and 45 grs.of IMR 4064 at 100 and 300.It shot a 3-shot one holer at 100 and a .547 @300.Fps was 3468.Very good load.  | |||
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The two new varmint scopes being shown on the Ramshot Web Site looked interesting... but at the price they are asking... my interest dwendled real quick....  | |||
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"This load kills deer and pigs without a problem because I thought I was getting about 3000 - 3100 fps from this load" And now that you know it is NOT getting 3000-3100 FPS it will no longer kill deer and pigs without a problem! The mind is/am a wonderul thing....
Seafire, I usually agree with you, BUT: Whatever load of whatever powder gives the highest possible velocities AT SAFE PRESSURES with a given bullet with a 26" barrel will also give the highest velocities in a 16" barrel!! Using faster powders will accomplish nothing UNLESS YOU LOAD TO MUCH HIGHER, UNSAFE PRESSURES. This is not a matter of opinion. It has been proven time and again! The SLOWEST POWDER AND LOAD that gives maximUm velocities with the 30" tube will do the same with shorter ones! The reason ffor this is that the slow powder maintains higher pressure on the base of the bullet from the case mouth to the muzzle, regardless of the distance between those two points. The idea that slow powders blow some of the charge out the muzzle is nonsense! All powders are totally consumed by the time the bullet has travelled around 4", regardless of their relative quickness!  "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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The factory ballistics we see published are not "computed", they are measured with a chronograph!! The velocities of factory loads that we see quoted nowadays are generally taken in 24" barrels machined to close tolerances, particularly as regards chambers. Earlier, some published velocities were taken with barrels as long as 30". It was rare in those times for a production-line rifle to come anywhere close to giving the same performance due to sloppier ("more generous") chamber dimensions, as well as shorter barrels! I doubt if any Winchester 100-grain ammo ever gave 3060 FPS from a Model 70 Featherweight with a 22" barrel in .243 caliber. The 2900 they quote today is closer to what the .243 has always done in a hunting rifle. If one is seeking real performance from a 6mm, get a 6mm Remington or better yet, a 6mm/.284! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Seafire: I don't know about their scopes, although MSRPs for optics are usually heavily inflated. But, I am using a couple of their Belgian made powders. Hunter is a dense ball powder without temperature sensitivity issues. Pretty rare for a ball powder. At 950 grams/liter it meters like hourglass sand. Burn rate is similar to R-19 and will give full load density in the .243 and .260 with some pretty impressive Standard Deviations.  "No one told you when to run; you missed the starting gun." | |||
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KLN357, What bullets/loads have you used in the 260 Rem with Hunter powder? I now have some Hunter and will be loading for the 260 AI. I'll probably try the 120g BT, 125g Partition, 120g TSX, and the 129g Hornady SPPT.......not necessarily in that order. | |||
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The 243 has the same expansion ratio as the 300 Win Mag!! If you want to shoot heavy (100 gr up)bullets fast, its 7828, and R25...NO BS. The 260 is closer in ER to the '06 and again for heavy bullets its still gonna take a slow powder like R22 to get 2800 fps with a 140 grainer. These are relatively small cases, in fact the same case, and lots of reloaders think small = faster powder. In fact, a few years ago the 243 got a reputation for being a bad actor because of pressure spikes, and this was entirely due to the use of large doses of mid-range burn rate propellants. Its not simple though, as with the current bullet weights in 243 we are dealing with 24 inch velocities from 2800 to 4000 fps. The little 55 gr Noslers love Benchmark...a far cry from R25!! | |||
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Hogwild: I like 120s for all around use. The 125 gr. Partition as well. My load with the ballistic tip is a little over the max load listed at http://www.ramshot.com which uses a Win case, WLR primer, 45.8 grs. of Hunter and the 120 gr. BT for a velocity of 2868 @ 57,083 PSI with a standard deviation of 10. I am looking at the Hornady SSTs because they are less expensive and I like the Interlock concept. The 129 should be plenty large enough for Mule Deer and in fact sectional density meets the .260 minimum suggested for Elk. Whereas you have gone to the AI, I am going to a 6.5 X .284 Norma. I don't think we'll get a .260 or 6.5 WSM/RSAUM and with the 6.5 X .284 Norma, it probably isn't necessary anyway. I will start load development with Hunter in any case. Call me crazy, but I got interested in Hunter when I learned the Belgian chemists had developed a coating that would eliminate temperature sensitivity issues with this ball powder. Coupled with the fact that at 950 grams/liter it is very dense. The same density as Accurates #5 handgun powder. I am using X-Terminator (985 G/L .223 and .30-30) and True Blue (935 G/L) handgun powder for the same reason, because I believe that the excellent metering properties of dense ball powders contribute to excellent standard deviations and accuracy even when you don't have the time to weigh individual charges like I would do with an extruded powder. The bonus is that it is a very high performance powder capable of providing plenty of velocity. Sabot: No BS is right, but I have never used anything slower than IMR-4831/RL-19 and mainly because of the flexibility/velocity they give with several weights, but 7828 can be used. If I were shooting a 26" Varmint rifle, I'd probably try a 100 gr. bullet with 7828. In fact the slowest I would probably ever venture with barrels 24" or shorter, would be MRP that is on again off again. But no matter, RL-22 is made by Norma for Alliant and while I can't say they are exactly the same, they do show up back to back on the burn rate chart and many claim that RL-22 is MRP. For hunting loads, I maximize velocity to maximize energy, but by the same token, I'm not going to sacrifice accuracy to get it. With the right powder choice, you don't have to. This is really no different than principles used in handgun loading where I continue to see fast burning powders used by a majority of shooters in high intensity cartridges other than Magnums, i.e. 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W and the 10mm, where some consider Unique as slow and W-231 and TiteGroup are vaunted. With rifle cartridges I sometimes suspect that the reloader is actually hunting groups, with less emphasis placed on maximum energy. Many consider the .260 too small for anything larger than Whitetail and will tell you to get a .270 as a minimum, but when you get all of the energy you can get out the largest caliber in the small bore category of this forum, there's not much difference and the 6.5 X .284 Norma negates any. With it, I will probably look hard at the 140 gr. SST or Accubond and if need be, there is always the 140 gr. Partition. "No one told you when to run; you missed the starting gun." | |||
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KLN357, I looked at the data for Hunter on the Ramshot site. Sure seems slow. I question why their ball powder can't get the velocity one can obtain with other powders. Hunter should be a perfect match for a 120g bullet in the 260. Yet Ramshot lists the max velocity as 2,868 fps. Other powders show max velocity with a 120g bullet over 3,000 fps. This is more than "typical" variation from manual to manual. Their max load for the 100g BT is 3,156 fps while other manuals list 3,340 fps with other powders. I also checked out data for the 243 and 25-06 and it seemed anemic as well. Why? Are they reporting the actual velocity readings from the test barrel or shooting max loads in a factory rifle and reporting that veloity? Something doesn't add up. Shed any light here? | |||
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Last night I asked the question listed above (why are your velocities so slow for the 260 Rem) to Ramshot on their website. This is their response to me by e-mail: Yes you are correct. The loads were extremely conservative as you can see from the pressures. You can load between 1.7 to 2.0 grains beyond the current maximum loads. Then the pressures and veloicties wil be on the correct level. We are planning to adjust the data in the near future. Regards Johan Loubser Ballistician Western/Accurate Powders Tel: 1800 497 1007 or (406) 234 04 22 Part of Western Powders -- Miles City Montana For all Sales, Marketing, Pricing Distribution and related issues, please call toll free 800-497-1007. So I guess that answers that question. | |||
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Johan Loubser: Got to love 'em and he saved me some keyboard strokes! I'd just like to tell you guys, this is what a ballistician should be. Ramshot powders are on par with many from VV, a lot of people just don't know it yet. And, at an Accurate price! "No one told you when to run; you missed the starting gun." | |||
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Best load I have found in my .260 is: Bullet Lapua Scenar 108grs Powder Vihtavuori N140 36,6grs Brass Lapua .243 My gun has been made by Finnish gunsmith Jyri Jalonen, and it has Lothar's SSbarrel with 1/8,6" twist and lenght is 650mm. This load shoot 0,35-0,7 MOA 5 shoots groups @170 meters. | |||
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