I just had my Rem BDL 270W re-barreled to a Rem BDL 25-06 take-off barrel.

My 'smith timed the barrel and trued the action...it feeds fine and the spent brass looks fine!

The rifling looks great/sharp and the bore is clean and has <200 rounds down the tube...

I took it to the range today for the first time shooting Privi Partisan 25-06 100gr PSP factory ammo...

The rifle shot like a shotgun and probably worse...

With 16 rifles I've never seen anything like it!!!

I haven't FF/GB yet but I intend to...BUT...

#1- Action screws are snug and tight

#2- Barreled-action looks fine sitting straight in the stock

#3- Scope ring/bases snug and tight

#4- Scope is a known one to be accurate

#5- Barrel crown looks good


Has anyone had a rifle shoot sooo poorly???

For now I'm literally laughing hysterically about it...but in another 3 hours I'll be getting downright serious in trying to remedy this

EVERY rifle I've ever bought was a shooter from the get-go...NOW this

Definitely FUNNY for NOW!!!!

But...

How BAD is bad?

What has been your folks expereinces...had any ones like this?

Could it really just be the ammo???

Would a rifle REALLY spray bullets it DIDN'T like into a 3-4" area....left to right and up and down...


Could the barrel size 22" sporter 270W to 24" sporter 25-06 not be properly sitting in the stock's barrel channel...

Any suggestions what to try next...I was thinking of looking for some Sierra GMK ammo or Hornadys to shoot...

Could this bugger just don't like 100grainers, mabe need to try 117 grainers and see...

I do acknowlege the Privi Partisan ain't the best bullets around but I used them with great success in other rifle chamberings when just wanting to see how a new rifle shoots for break-in...They always have shot under 1 1/4 inch in all my rilfes easy...

Should I first choose another bullet to shoot[100gr Factory Ammo] or try another weight too?

I hear many Rem BDL 25-06 owners say 100grains shoot well in their rifles...so I don't think it's the ROT???

Do ya think it's the darn PRIVI's...

I really could use some thoughts on this

Thanks!

Changing out the barrel, you have basically re-invented the wheel. You are going to have to work with it and see what works for your rifle. If you handload I have never seen a 25-06 that would not shoot 53gr of IMR-4350 with 100 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips seated as long as possible for your barrel. Never go into a project like that with too high expectations. There are no absolutes with factory take-offs.

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Originally posted by 30378:
Changing out the barrel, you have basically re-invented the wheel. You are going to have to work with it and see what works for your rifle. If you handload I have never seen a 25-06 that would not shoot 53gr of IMR-4350 with 100 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips seated as long as possible for your barrel. Never go into a project like that with too high expectations. There are no absolutes with factory take-offs.

Hmmm...Sure wish I had known this earlier

I sent you a PM and hope you can elaborate some...

And anyone else who can take me to school on this I would really appreciate your wisdom I would be a better man for it!

I definitely want to understand...

Then, is this TYPICAL???

Aloha!

Roland

I have no idea what "timing the barrel" means but it seems to me that you should have the barrel recrowned. Then get a box of decent factory ammo and shoot it.
Peter

Hey Ro,

I built a custom Mauser in 6mm, 1-10 twist. It sprayed both Remington and Hornady 100gr factory loads all over the place. Handloads with lighter bullets shoot very well. Not a big deal because I had planned on using lighter bullets for ground squirrels in the first place. Go figure. Try some different factory loadings, see how they work, and go from there.

Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

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Originally posted by craigster:
Hey Ro,

I built a custom Mauser in 6mm, 1-10 twist. It sprayed both Remington and Hornady 100gr factory loads all over the place. Handloads with lighter bullets shoot very well. Not a big deal because I had planned on using lighter bullets for ground squirrels in the first place. Go figure. Try some different factory loadings, see how they work, and go from there.

Hey Craig,

Thanks for sharing and yep, I'll try some other bullets and go from there...

Or maybe load up some Sierra Gamekings right off the lands and see how she goes...

Aloha!

Ro

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

I bought it off a guy who was doing another build and had several projects...He sold about 4 barrels and he said it shot good...BUT one NEVER knows for sure...LOL

EXPENSIVE lesson here...

So far I'm taking it pretty good...We'll see how pissed I get in another outing or two to the range...

If I understand corectly, a factory barrel of different caliber was used for replacement and have heard the term "timing" simply to mean that the barrel inscriptions were positioned as though they were coming from the factory??
All other things being as you state, don't know about the ammo you are using, but if not that, my best guess would be a bedding issue with so called flyers. Run some good reloads through it and see what happens and then double check the bedding. One item at a time or you will get lost on what steps work and what doesn't. Good luck.

There may be a slight contour difference in the two barrels -- I'm guessing that the .25-06 may be slightly heavier. Check the manner in which it contacts the stock. A Remington 700 factory stock uses up-pressure near the fore end. Perhaps if the barrel is fatter than the original somewhere nearer the chamber it may not be bearing appropriately at the stock's fore end.

free float the barrel and try some Nosler Ballistic tips about 100 grains.....see if there is a marked improvement....I'd bet on it!

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Originally posted by MFD:
If I understand corectly, a factory barrel of different caliber was used for replacement and have heard the term "timing" simply to mean that the barrel inscriptions were positioned as though they were coming from the factory??
All other things being as you state, don't know about the ammo you are using, but if not that, my best guess would be a bedding issue with so called flyers. Run some good reloads through it and see what happens and then double check the bedding. One item at a time or you will get lost on what steps work and what doesn't. Good luck.

Thanks!

And yes in regards to TIMING...I wanted it positined properly in case I wanted to put sights back on as it came with none/unplugged...

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
There may be a slight contour difference in the two barrels -- I'm guessing that the .25-06 may be slightly heavier. Check the manner in which it contacts the stock. A Remington 700 factory stock uses up-pressure near the fore end. Perhaps if the barrel is fatter than the original somewhere nearer the chamber it may not be bearing appropriately at the stock's fore end.

Steve that's my initial thought...BUT I will have to check it out for sure!

Thanks Buddy!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
free float the barrel and try some Nosler Ballistic tips about 100 grains.....see if there is a marked improvement....I'd bet on it!

I was hoping you'd chime in soon...

I think I need to FLOAT it too!

Any pointers you can send my way??????

I sure could use some good solid advice, as I've never done one before, but know I'm fully capable...

Just need some parameters and some basics!

Could ya shoot my a PM buddy...Thanks! Ro

A couple years ago I got a 200 Stevens in .270 just to rebarrel it in 6.5X55.Just for the heck of it We put a couple boxes of PRVI .270 through it. The rifle and the ammo was MOA out of the box. No barrel swap there . I was forced to buy another Mod. 200 for the 6.5. This time I pulled the barrel right-a-way. Still have that barrel.
The point of course is ; probably not the ammo

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Originally posted by bartsche:
A couple years ago I got a 200 Stevens in .270 just to rebarrel it in 6.5X55.Just for the heck of it We put a couple boxes of PRVI .270 through it. The rifle and the ammo was MOA out of the box. No barrel swap there . I was forced to buy another Mod. 200 for the 6.5. This time I pulled the barrel right-a-way. Still have that barrel.
The point of course is ; probably not the ammo

Thanks bartshe...I've had the same experience with Privi Partisan...They do shoot quite well in all my rifles...I use them for barrel break-in on the cheap!

I'll look into FF this bugger first...

I will have to chime in with Stonecreek. The difference in barrel contour is probably causing contact somewhere it shouldn't be. One side or the other, uneven on the recoil lug, or just the whole thing jammed into a barrel channel that wasn't originally cut for that contour. Find out where it is making contact, clean it out and bed the action while you are at it. DW

I've never had a take-off barrel shoot that badly when put on another action and I have at least a dozen of them right now. That includes 5 which each had probably 2,000 to 3,000 rounds through them when I got them...(they were a throw-in on a deal for another rifle).

That tells me it is most likely NOT the barrel which is the problem. It could be the barrel , of course, but my money would bet on it being something else.

You mention having it indexed...do you know exactly what the 'smith did to accomplish that? Was the barrel set back?

Any rechambering or neck/throat lengthening involved? Even with a terribly botched job of that I wouldn't expect it to shoot that poorly, but one never knows.

Speaking of problem .25-06s, I once bought a brand new (but discontinued) model of Sako in that chambering. Absolutely NIB. Never could get it to shoot accurately with anything.

Couldn't handload it to over mild .250 Savage ballistics without getting excessive pressure signs either. Finally gave up and sold it (with full disclosure and drastically reduced price).

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
I've never had a take-off barrel shoot that badly when put on another action and I have at least a dozen of them right now. That includes 5 which each had probably 2,000 to 3,000 rounds through them when I got them...(they were a throw-in on a deal for another rifle).

That tells me it is most likely NOT the barrel which is the problem. It could be the barrel , of course, but my money would bet on it being something else.

You mention having it indexed...do you know exactly what the 'smith did to accomplish that? Was the barrel set back?

Any rechambering or neck/throat lengthening involved? Even with a terribly botched job of that I wouldn't expect it to shoot that poorly, but one never knows.

Speaking of problem .25-06s, I once bought a brand new (but discontinued) model of Sako in that chambering. Absolutely NIB. Never could get it to shoot accurately with anything.

Couldn't handload it to over mild .250 Savage ballistics without getting excessive pressure signs either. Finally gave up and sold it (with full disclosure and drastically reduced price).

Hi AC,

Thanks for chiming in!

I'm very pleased to hear that!!!!!

And, I have complete confidence in my 'smith and I trust his job!

I believe the problem has to do with the stock making contact with the barrel in varous places along the sides and bottom of the channel...

That will be my first step in FF that and then I'll go from there...

As Stonecreek suggested and dwheels agreed...I think that may be the likely culprit...Good and cheap/easy place to start in the process of elimination...

I'll report back soon with my findings!

Thanks again bruddah!

Hawaii no ka oi...

Aloha!

Ro

I have had 2 NIB .25-06 rifles that would not shoot any 100 gr bullets or the 110 gr Accubond into less than 3 inches, even using the magical IMR 4350. Sounds like you are on top of things, but don't be afraid to change bullet weights if nothing else works.

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Originally posted by dlutter:
I have had 2 NIB .25-06 rifles that would not shoot any 100 gr bullets or the 110 gr Accubond into less than 3 inches, even using the magical IMR 4350. Sounds like you are on top of things, but don't be afraid to change bullet weights if nothing else works.

Thanks for sharing...Curious, what brand rifles were they???

And yes, I'm not disheartened to go with the Sierra 117gr SBT either...

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

+1 Most don't take off a barrel that shoots well.

Before I spent too much on ammo, I'd take it back to the smith and have him look it over. If he installed the barrel correctly as well as truing the action, it should shoot better than what you relate.
As posted, the history of the take off would be nice to know but the smith should have checked it -the barrel- out pretty good before putting it on your action.

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Originally posted by BISCUT:

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

+1 Most don't take off a barrel that shoots well.

If it still doesn't shoot any better after I free-float the barrel; then I seriously have to consider this BUMMER

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
Before I spent too much on ammo, I'd take it back to the smith and have him look it over. If he installed the barrel correctly as well as truing the action, it should shoot better than what you relate.
As posted, the history of the take off would be nice to know but the smith should have checked it -the barrel- out pretty good before putting it on your action.

My 'smith ran a bore scope through and said all was real good, there was some light fouling 18" up...I did clean it quite well before I shot it yesterday...

I'll give him a call today and see what he says...

Not long ago, I took the 30/06 Rem 700 that belonged to our rangemaster's wife. Their complaint was that its groups were4 to 6 inches at 100 yds.. that was they way they bought the gun..

I hollowed out the barrel channel to free float it, and shot some light loads with SR 4759 thru it to test accuracy, and got almost a textbook 1 hole group at 50 yds with it..

gave it back to him and his wife shot some of the Remington factory loads she has for it, she was thrilled that she was getting 3/4 an inch groups at 100 yds..

another club member does bedding for rifles, so I told her to let him do that for her also..

this was kind of doing a favor for a friend, but it cleaned up here rifles accuracy immensely..

have a factory new 243 that was not a good shooter out of the box either.. while the barrel is totally free floated on it..

playing with handloads to try and correct that, I found that if a load is either slowed down to about 2400 fps or less, it shoots fantastically... or if the load is very hot, with pressures probably at 70,000 PSI, then it shoots fantastically...

however any factory duplication hand loads or factory loads, it will average a 5 inch group or more at 100 yds..

since I have other 243s, then it just is fed a diet of lighter loads..

Just to add my experience with Privi Partisan ammo. I have a Browning .375 H&H that shoots any and all loads from the bench between .75" to 1.50" until I tried Privi Partisan 300 grain load, I bought two boxes pretty cheap. The smallest group I saw was 3" more than double the average size group for that rifle.

Try different ammo/ load before spending big money.

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Originally posted by BISCUT:

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

+1 Most don't take off a barrel that shoots well.

When it comes to Remingtons, many take-off barrels have never been fired at all after they left the factory.

They were removed so the actions could be used for something not available from the original maker.

A couple of folks actually make specialty businesses of selling only brand new take-off barrels and stocks.

Thanks guys I appreciate you sharing your experiences as I've been lucky with 16+ rifles...ALL were shooters out of the box!

This one will be my project...I'm taking it in stride

First off, I discovered this morning that the barrel channel is fine nothing is touching BUT the PRESSURE POINT...

I committed and decided to remove it...Now I can fit two dollar bills thru up to the front of the receiver.

Next, I will reload these Privi brass with IMR 4350/WLR primers under Sierra GameKings 100/117gr SBT which are my go-to hunting bullets intended for this rifle.

I'll report my findings after my next visit to the range...

Thanks everyone


UPDATE:

Well three weeks later....Went to the range with Fefederal Fusion 120gr Factory ammo and the gun printed MOA 100 yard 3-shot groups...

Now, I'm relieved...I'll get some handloads going real soon...using some H4831SC...

All in all, I think it was the Privi Partisan 100gr SP factory ammo that it despised!

Glad it finally all worked out for me and thanks to all

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Originally posted by BISCUT:

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Maybe there is a reason it was a take off barrel.

+1 Most don't take off a barrel that shoots well.

When it comes to Remingtons, many take-off barrels have never been fired at all after they left the factory.

They were removed so the actions could be used for something not available from the original maker.

A couple of folks actually make specialty businesses of selling only brand new take-off barrels and stocks.

AC,


That's pretty much the situation with this barrel I bought!

Also, my 'smith reassured me this morning that the barrel was very good!

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Now I can fit two dollar bills thru up to the front of the receiver.

Next, I will reload these Privi brass with IMR 4350/WLR primers under Sierra GameKings 100/117gr SBT which are my go-to hunting bullets intended for this rifle.

This should help a lot.....

I'm looking forward to your report!

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Now I can fit two dollar bills thru up to the front of the receiver.

Next, I will reload these Privi brass with IMR 4350/WLR primers under Sierra GameKings 100/117gr SBT which are my go-to hunting bullets intended for this rifle.

This should help a lot.....

I'm looking forward to your report!

I'm hoping so brother...

I had a brand new adl sty stock in 300wm that out of the box wouldn't keep them on a pie plate.

After playing around with I found that when I tighen the stock srews I notice the barrel was forced up wards at the tip.

I bedded it and free floated the barrel its a .750 gun now. I would check the bedding and the crown out.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I had a brand new adl sty stock in 300wm that out of the box wouldn't keep them on a pie plate.

After playing around with I found that when I tighen the stock srews I notice the barrel was forced up wards at the tip.

I bedded it and free floated the barrel its a .750 gun now. I would check the bedding and the crown out.

I just never knew production rifles out of the box COULD shoot soo BAD...

This is all news to me...Since this thread started I'm realizing it can and does happen...

I'm still finding it all too HILARIOUS at the moment...

I'm not one who understands much about the inner workings of a rifle, I just like to hunt and pull the trigger...and watch'em drop

Yep, I got a PROJECT right here and now...my FIRST!!!

I have two rifles that will shoot < inch groups with ammo they like and with ammo that they don't like, 8 inches is not surprising to me anymore.

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Originally posted by miles58:
I have two rifles that will shoot < inch groups with ammo they like and with ammo that they don't like, 8 inches is not surprising to me anymore.

Thanks for sharing...

And the list keeps growing...Amazing

You made a .270 into a 25-06? What does a 25-06 possibly do better than a .270? Maybe you need to find someone with experience in converting Rolex's to Timex's that could solve the problem.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
You made a .270 into a 25-06? What does a 25-06 possibly do better than a .270? Maybe you need to find someone with experience in converting Rolex's to Timex's that could solve the problem.

I have a few 270's and rebarreled one...

I have a Swede Mauser, a Husqvarna that will shoot into no mre than 3/4" all day long with anything I feed it....

Until someone gave me 200rounds of PriviPartizan ammo...

That stuff?

I've actually missed a 1gallon jug five times at 50yards with that ammo...

Yet switching back to Norma brass and a 120gr Nosler lets me nibble pieces off the neck of the jug

Try different ammo.

AD

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
You made a .270 into a 25-06? What does a 25-06 possibly do better than a .270?....

I unfortunately made the very same mistake a couple of years ago; I still cannot understand why I made that silly decision