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Carpetman, I am well aware that there is no guarantee that a well placed shot with an adequate calibre will result in a bang flop on a deer. However, if the chest cavity is disrupted with an decent deer bullet, that beast will bled out and loose consciousness in a very short time. A spine shot with a small calibre is no way to treat any animal. As to my limited experience, no doubt my experience is limited compared to some of the guys on the Euro forum who shoot large numbers of game. I don't keep score, but I shoot a few deer every year, 10 this year of three species I think. I could not swear my lifetime score has passed the 100 mark, but it must be close. Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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Teancum--I don't recall ever reading a single post on this subject where a good shot was made and the results were bad. I've read stuff like it was shot with a hornet, (for example) and never again. No details as to where hit. I do have one experience that was bad, but the facts strictly speculation. That was a spike buck that both my grandson and I shot with a .243 using cast bullets. I fully believe (very well could be wrong) that the deer was hit in what should have been a fatal spot---but did run off with no blood found. I'll not risk doing that again and do regret ever doing it. | |||
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For goodness sakes, I sometimes wonder that if we were to shoot them with nerf balls, some here would complain that we're scaring the poor little darlin's. I don't know about ya'll, but I harvest crops, not animals. I kill animals. Every hog I shoot, whether I use a 22 hornet or a 458 lott, I make a spine shot, sever the spinal cord and they're DRT. They paddle for a minute and go nowhere. No tracking or lost animal involved. Do the same on deer quite often. Then I skin them, dismember them, evenutally roast their flesh and eat them. If that's to insensitive, maybe you ought to take up golf or knitting. GWB | |||
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Brian (Clarett Dabbler) Your experience level is more than I expected--I was incorrect on the call on that. Please define for me what is an adequate caliber and a decent deer bullet. My experience has been if chest cavity is disrupted with any caliber the deer will bleed out. I've also seen spine shots kill faster than chest cavity shots???? What's the difference in a chest cavity shot deer that takes awhile to bleed out and one that is spine shot and promptly finished off? | |||
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I'm not here to debate something I have little experience with, I'm only debating the "discussion" itself. For you, like carpetman1, have developed a zone in which you have had success with your .223's. I have no reason to disbelieve you, argue with you or otherwise, you've been there and done that. On the other hand, there are folks that have had bad experiences using the .223 and find the caliber/cartridge an unwise choice. Now, they may have taken a 500 yard hip shot, used an inadequate bullet etc., While they might say you took a 50 yard head shot etc,. So I don't have any reason to disbelieve any stories and I will simply call the cartridge "questionable" and let the debate go on. And again, if it works for you, you're happy, then don't let anyone rain on your parade and continue doing what feels right! | |||
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I hear references in some of these posting about folks who have had bad experiences with the .223, but don't see a lot of those posts showing up on these subjects lines. You do see a lot of posts here on this board about those who use the .223 tailored to their needs, and find that it works out just fine with wonderful results. The anti's seem to be a lot of references to non existent facts..............  | |||
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If its legal to hunt with a 223 where you live, then it dosent matter what others think. | |||
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You make that sound as if the spine shot was intentional. How is a spine shot with say, a .300WSM any different? Still doesn't kill & requires a 9mm through the brain to do that. Once again you are someone arguing caliber when shot placement is the issue. | |||
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