I'm not a big Rem 700 fan, but I lucked onto a Classic in .250 Savage at an attractive price that comes with dies and 90 empty cases.

Like most older cartridges, especially those chambered originally in lever actions such as the Savage 99, most of the loading data is held to 44,000 CUP or so. I would think that boosting a 100 grain bullet to 3,000 fps in this cartridge could be done without straining a 700 too much. Does anyone have any data that runs 50 to 52K in the little .250?

Send me your E-Mail address and I'll send you a whole bunch of my data.

Stonecreek,

I recently had similar luck, in that I happened upon an unfired 700 Classic in 250 Savage. If I'm not mistaken that's 84 vintage.
It was unfired when I acquired it. However I cured that in short order. I had two boxes of 100 gr. silvertips that came with the rifle. The velocity of the silvertips ranged from 2,667 to 2718 fps. I also had a box of factory remington PSP's at 100 gr. The velocity of these were 2,607 to 2,630 fps.
I loaded some 100 gr. partitions over 38 gr. W760 and got velocities of 2,765 to 2,773 fps.

110 gr. accubonds over 32.5 gr Varget yielded 2,523 to 2,538 fps.

I load per book, using Nosler's 5th and 6th edition and Hodgdon's annual reloading manual.

Based on my loads and looking at book data, I think you will be pushing it to get 2900 fps out of a 24" barrel.
IIRC the 3000 in the 250-3000 was based on an 85 gr. bullet.
FWIW, I think you are in Roberts territory at 3000 fps with a 100 gr. bullet.

With 257roy, 25-06 and 257 bob available, I don't push the Savage, rather enjoy it for what it is.
Just my $.02

Best
GWB

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GW: I agree, there's no need to try to make a .25-06 out of a .250 Savage, nor a .223 out of a Hornet. You should enjoy them for what they are.

I don't "have" to get 3,000 with a 100 grain bullet, but considering that my Sako .243 does over 3,100 with a hundred grainer at sustainable pressures (probably has one of those "fast" barrels), I figured the .250 Savage, with a case very little smaller and a slightly larger bore to work with, should be able to make 3,000. But I agree that 2800-2900 is quite sufficient for the uses of this cartridge.

And yes, I believe 1984 was the vintage year for this particular Classic chambering. Of all the Remington 700 variations, the I find the Classic the most appealing.

Bartsche: Thanks for the data offer. I'll PM you my email.

Set the barrel back a turn & rechamber to 250AI. You'll like it.

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Set the barrel back a turn & rechamber to 250AI. You'll like it.

. . . which is essentially a .25/300 Savage. Most people don't realize how close to an "improved" cartridge the old .300 Savage is: Very little body taper, sharp shoulder, minimal neck. The .300 Savage is what the .308 Winchester should have been. There was really no reason for the military to have invented the 7.62 Nato when the Savage already existed, except to boost the working pressures by 8,000 PSI or so without worrying about someone sticking it in a turn-of-the-century lever action gun.

In fact, I've always wondered why Savage used the same basic case for the .250 and .300, but tapered the .250 so much more?

Here's a photo of the .300 Savage beside a .308 Winchester. Note how the bodies are almost identical, but the Savage has a slightly sharper shoulder. The powder capacity difference of these two particular pieces of brass favored the .308 by only 1/2 grain -- not much capacity for the amount of length the case was extended.

I remember seeing these at the SHOT Show and talking Remington into sending me one for a magazine article. I kept it. Sadly, I got talked into rechambering it to the 25-284 a year later for another article. Killed two Elk and two Mule Deer and one Antelope with it. Then I got talked into selling it. That was dumb...

I'd like another one.

Rich

i have one of the classics and it has sat in the safe for a long time. i shot one mule deer with it and put it away. for a rem it has one of the most figured pcs of wood ive ever seen. i pulled it out a couple of months ago and started load devlopment and chronographing . the nosler book load of H4895 is a good one. the velocities are real close to 3000fps. cases look fine. all of the 100 gr and lighter have shot into less than an inch. i have seen many 3 and 5 shot groups of under half an inch. a most remarkable stock gun. even the 120 speer at near 2600 fps shot rite at an inch. all this 250 sav talk got me to take it out of the safe and am glad i did.

I also have a Rem 700 Classic in 250 Savage.
It's probably the most desireable gun in my safe.
It shoots too.
Best bullets are the Sierra 90 gn HPBT's, with Varget.
My load work-up pix below.

DMB,
looking good there!
Best
GWB

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Set the barrel back a turn & rechamber to 250AI. You'll like it.

or better yet.....put on a .260 Rem barrel!

As much as I like the Remington classics, I have no collectors bones in me at all.....turn it into a real sweet hunting rifle.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
. The .300 Savage is what the .308 Winchester should have been. There was really no reason for the military to have invented the 7.62 Nato when the Savage already existed, except to boost the working pressures by 8,000 PSI or so without worrying about someone sticking it in a turn-of-the-century lever action gun.

I have thought that very same thing in regards to the 300 Savage as a military round when comparing it to the 308.

In regards to the loading of a M-700 in 250 Savage, why do you not want to simply work up a load using the normal pressure indicators like brass expansion and flowing, sticky bolt lift, etc.? I am sure even the Rem. M-700 should be able to handle the higher pressures of a modernized 250 load.

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or better yet.....put on a .260 Rem barrel!

As much as I like the Remington classics, I have no collectors bones in me at all.....turn it into a real sweet hunting rifle.

If you go that route might as well make it a 260 AI. Thats what I am doing right now with a classic. My Redding dies came in this afternoon. There's no turning back now!

I really like the remington classic stock & buy them when I find them at the right price.

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260 AI

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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260 AI

.260 but close!

Awhile back, GPC was selling new 700 Classic stocks for around $100. I bought a couple of LA to restock 700 SPS youth guns that I've rebarreled to 6.5x55, 7x57, and 8x57.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
DMB,
looking good there!
Best
GWB

GWB,

Thanks.

DMB

260AI

If its good enough to cut the mastard with this crowd its good enough for me.


260AI

I picked up my 700 Classic 250Sav when it was a year old 1985, and used it for 10 yrs till I took a shine to the 7-08 cartridge.
I still have the Classic, and last year worked up a load using Barnes' 100gr TTSX, and used it to take my buck.
The stoutest load data found is in the Lyman and Nosler books, Lyman in particular.
Under the 100's, IMR4320 and 4064 have been great for me, with W760 used for the 117-120 pills.
The 250Sav is an overachiever, especially when loaded to typical bolt gun pressures.

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Originally posted by Mulerider:
The 250Sav is an overachiever, especially when loaded to typical bolt gun pressures.

That settles it!
I'm getting one!

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Originally posted by Rae59:

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Originally posted by Mulerider:
The 250Sav is an overachiever, especially when loaded to typical bolt gun pressures.

That settles it!
I'm getting one!

Good move...
U won't regret it.
In addition to the Rem 700 Classic in 250, I have a custom 250, and a 250AI. The 250AI is on a new Rem 700 SA CDL, and makes a perfect chambering in a short action duplicating 257 Roberts performance.

I had a 700 Classic that would drive tacks with a 100gr Hornady over RL17, 257 Rob. would have been jealous to see the velocity, let alone accuracy! That rifle shot just about everything sub MOA if you loaded tho modern levels.

Well, after looking over all the data I could find and some that you kind folks sent me, I settled on 40 grains of H-414 under a 100 grain Sierra (a very slight powder increase over most reference loads which top out at 44,000 PSI).

I fired three of them through my Oehler at a 100 yard target. They clustered in a nice equilateral triangle just over an inch in diameter and centered two inches above the bull. The velocity adjusted to muzzle was about 2940 fps, which is plenty good enough for me. And the pressure was, at most, quite nominal.

I think my load is "developed" in three shots, which is probably a record for an inveterate tinkerer like me.

Stonecreek---What not 3,000 fps????Any deer that reads this is going to laugh when you use that load. You might do ok on those that didnt happen to read this thread.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Stonecreek---What not 3,000 fps????Any deer that reads this is going to laugh when you use that load. You might do ok on those that didnt happen to read this thread.

You are absolutely right about that. I'll be forced to restrict my deer hunting with this rifle to the same illiterate and ill-informed deer that keep falling to a single shot from my grandson's .223!